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07-22-2012, 11:36 PM
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Thomas Greiss

What is the future for the 26 year old German goalie, will he ever be a starter ? If so for the Sharks or another team ?, or is he destinded to be a back up ?

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What is the future for the 26 year old German goalie, will he ever be a starter ? If so for the Sharks or another team ?, or is he destinded to be a back up ?
He has shown nothing that would suggest starter material

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07-22-2012, 11:52 PM
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He should definitely explore his options in the UFA market after the 12-13 season is over. There will be plenty of teams who wouldn't mind signing him to a 1yr/1mil type of deal. He's been patient with San Jose, but if you're not going to give the guy a proper chance to prove himself, and keep riding a mediocre goalie, then...bye bye.

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hasn't been given a chance so who the hell knows

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I doubt it given Stalock's existence.

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Wouldn't be surprised to see him thrown into a deal to get a scorer. Bring up Stalock as a backup.

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He has shown nothing that would suggest starter material
He was pretty decent in his games last year. I could see him starting somewhere like Columbus, although it is hard to say until he gets a chance to play more than 20 games in a season.

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07-23-2012, 01:39 AM
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I think he'd be a very capable half of a tandem with a vet. For instance, going with a Greiss/Vokoun tandem would leave a team in good enough shape. I think Greiss has talent, I just don't think he'll get to show it with the Sharks.

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He is done with the sharks i believe, unless niemi gets seriously injured and then greiss pulls a nabokov and plays so good for so long that it makes niemi tradeable. But i see greiss more like toskala, will play good enough to steal the job, and the faulter the next season.

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07-23-2012, 02:21 AM
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Well, he has no future as a starter here. Niemi is locked for another 2 (?) years and Stalock should be up and coming. I think he can start somewhere, just not here.

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I don't believe he has starter potential. Solid back-up though. Should have a long career in the league (and Int'l w/Germany).

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He's at least a bit better than a host of other backups to hang around the NHL for several years.

No goalie will reach their potential without consistent ice time. That's always the paradox.

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In my opinion, Greiss gets more games this year so that he can show his abilities but it's mostly so that he has value if/when he leaves. If Stalock rebounds from his injury then he'll be the backup after Greiss goes, this really depends on who can show their skill better next year. After that, Stalock/Greiss--probably Stalock--gets backup/tandem duties for the next two years and by then Stalock replaces Niemi and we have an awesome aggressive and puckmoving goalie

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07-23-2012, 06:51 AM
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is a pity that Greiss didn't get to play this year at the WC, would have liked to see how he did

I thought he looked good last year in the limited action he saw, but then I'm a fan of his and haven't been particularly impressed by Niemi...

Would be nice to see him get 30 games this year, maybe a few in a row to see if he can take it to the next level...

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He has shown nothing that would suggest starter material
He had comparable numbers to the team's starter. It should at least give him more opportunities this upcoming season if for no other reason than to prevent Niemi from starting a ridiculous 68 games.

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Greiss needs to play atleast 30 games per year for atleast 2 years for us to even get a good idea on whether he is good enough to be a starter. Unfortunately, the way TMac plays Niemi, that may never happen. Infact I really hate that because even if we get Stalock/Sateri up to the majors how the heck do we find out if they are starter worthy or not.

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seems like TMac hates him, since he never gives him a chance

I feel like unless we get one of those situations where Nemo gets injured and Greiss unexpectedly plays like 60 games at an elite level, he's gone after this year... no point in staying on a team (or the Sharks keeping him) if they don't play him

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Seeing as how he had just about the same stats as niemi this year, infinitely better rebound control and vision. What appears to be a faster glove hand and what also seems to be better cross crease speed and control, I would say Griess has a great shot at starting and being just as good or better than niemi if he is ever given the chance.

I would also say that the difference between griess pre-KHL and post KHL he looks much much better than before. Which leads me to believe that him getting more playing time will only lead to him being better. Not sure if he can handle the whole load yet, but who knows. I sure like him better than niemi no question.

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I would also say that the difference between griess pre-KHL and post KHL he looks much much better than before. Which leads me to believe that him getting more playing time will only lead to him being better. Not sure if he can handle the whole load yet, but who knows. I sure like him better than niemi no question.
SEL, not KHL. And he was horrible there by all accounts I read.

It's not a fair gauge on talent anyway, imo. Greiss is solid and will get better with increased starts.

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hasn't been given a chance so who the hell knows
as long as lord Neimi is blackmailing Todd with whatever it is he has on him, I doubt we'll see Griess again unless someone pulls a nacy kerrigan on him

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Greiss is barely backup material.

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Seeing as how he had just about the same stats as niemi this year, infinitely better rebound control and vision. What appears to be a faster glove hand and what also seems to be better cross crease speed and control, I would say Griess has a great shot at starting and being just as good or better than niemi if he is ever given the chance.

I would also say that the difference between griess pre-KHL and post KHL he looks much much better than before. Which leads me to believe that him getting more playing time will only lead to him being better. Not sure if he can handle the whole load yet, but who knows. I sure like him better than niemi no question.
Greiss might have faster cross ice speed but he for sure doesnt have cross ice control. That is one conplaint about greiss is that he over comits way to much, which means if the shooter waits just an extra second to shoot the puck greiss will be so far out of position it will be like an empty net goal.

Niemi might be slower getting across, but even so he will 90% of the time be in perfect position to make the stop.

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Greiss might have faster cross ice speed but he for sure doesnt have cross ice control. That is one conplaint about greiss is that he over comits way to much, which means if the shooter waits just an extra second to shoot the puck greiss will be so far out of position it will be like an empty net goal.

Niemi might be slower getting across, but even so he will 90% of the time be in perfect position to make the stop.
Niemi over-commits like crazy (too), especially when going post-to-post. And his positioning is pretty awful. Greiss is much more orthodox than Niemi when it comes to body or glove positioning.

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SEL, not KHL. And he was horrible there by all accounts I read.

It's not a fair gauge on talent anyway, imo. Greiss is solid and will get better with increased starts.
My bad on the league sorry.

Never said he was good statistically over there. Just that he was noticably better as a backup this year, than the year he was behind Nabby, and even though it could have been pure coincidence, I felt like it had something to do with the fact he actually got to play a lot more over there than here, thus showing that maybe the kid just needs to get a real chance and he can do a respectable job.

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Greiss might have faster cross ice speed but he for sure doesnt have cross ice control. That is one conplaint about greiss is that he over comits way to much, which means if the shooter waits just an extra second to shoot the puck greiss will be so far out of position it will be like an empty net goal.

Niemi might be slower getting across, but even so he will 90% of the time be in perfect position to make the stop.
If by perfect position you mean flopping around like a fish out of water then yes. The guy spent WAAAAAAY to much time down low in the butterfly, thus affecting his movement speed, and probably why he also seems to lose track of the puck very easily thus exacerbating his horrible rebound control. He also absolutely fails at regaining his stature in net once hes gone down. He will just roll around and flail for a minute and looks really really silly for a good 1-2seconds every single time.

Also I would argue that its easier to teach a goalie to not over commit on the movement aspect of things, than it is to teach one to have better reflexes. In other words niemis glove probably aint getting any faster, but griess definitly has a good shot to learn to control his movements better.

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My bad on the league sorry.

Never said he was good statistically over there. Just that he was noticably better as a backup this year, than the year he was behind Nabby, and even though it could have been pure coincidence, I felt like it had something to do with the fact he actually got to play a lot more over there than here, thus showing that maybe the kid just needs to get a real chance and he can do a respectable job.



If by perfect position you mean flopping around like a fish out of water then yes. The guy spent WAAAAAAY to much time down low in the butterfly, thus affecting his movement speed, and probably why he also seems to lose track of the puck very easily thus exacerbating his horrible rebound control. He also absolutely fails at regaining his stature in net once hes gone down. He will just roll around and flail for a minute and looks really really silly for a good 1-2seconds every single time.

Also I would argue that its easier to teach a goalie to not over commit on the movement aspect of things, than it is to teach one to have better reflexes. In other words niemis glove probably aint getting any faster, but griess definitly has a good shot to learn to control his movements better.

You gave me an instant reminder of the goal he let in while he was doing his crab walk

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