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07-24-2012, 10:40 AM
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Boyd, Panthers partner in gambling efforts

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-boyd...,2991383.story

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Don't agree with gambling, think crime follows, and I think this takes more away from the hockey.

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Anything to bring home the bacon for this team so we can stay profitable and sign our guys and some missing pieces!

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This clearly means we are getting Luongo.

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This is a great idea. Should help to build Panthers revenue and increase attendance if it goes through. There would likely be a massive influx of Canadian, European and American's from the North East to the area as tourists, which will almost certainly bring extra fans out and will hopefully convert some people to Panthers fans.

Sounds good for Florida!

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Don't like gambling. Negative side effects.

Is this what Yorkman was doing in Vegas?

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Don't like gambling. Negative side effects.

Is this what Yorkman was doing in Vegas?
yuppers.

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yuppers.
I wish he'd met Lou instead...

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I wish he'd met Lou instead...
lol, im sure he did. But the Vegas thing is exactly what he gets paid for, and truthfully has very little to do with player acquisitions. I would think its Tallon decisions with Viners green light.

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lol, im sure he did. But the Vegas thing is exactly what he gets paid for, and truthfully has very little to do with player acquisitions. I would think its Tallon decisions with Viners green light.
Yeah, I know, just kidding.

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50-50 on this. Of course you've got the benefits, but how about just building a big old theme park instead?

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50-50 on this. Of course you've got the benefits, but how about just building a big old theme park instead?
We already have Pantherland...

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If they can get this pushed through, this would be huge for SSE. If anyone wants to see the Panthers sign that top tier free agent, they better hope this deal goes through.

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My first reaction is that this is stupid.


Having a family friendly atmosphere is important for pro sports teams.

An NHL team should be able to stand on its own and worry about making every game some type of entertainment venue for people who are not truly invested in the hockey game.

How many times will you ask someone: "How did you become a Panther fan?" and hear the following answer:


"I was playing five dollar blackjack at the Blue Dolphin Casino, lost all my money, then got a free ticket voucher for the hockey game and I was HOOKED."

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I apologize if my previous post offended anyone. That was not my intent. My concern lies not only with the panthers being successful on the ice but also being profitable long term so that future generations of South Floridian's can enjoy NHL hockey for years to come. I see this agreement as a step in the right direction in accomplishing the long term financial viability of the franchise, but I still recognize and respect the views of many that such a route could pose possible economic, social, and perhaps moral drawbacks.

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I apologize if my previous post offended anyone. That was not my intent. My concern lies not only with the panthers being successful on the ice but also being profitable long term so that future generations of South Floridian's can enjoy NHL hockey for years to come. I see this agreement as a step in the right direction in accomplishing the long term financial viability of the franchise, but I still recognize and respect the views of many that such a route could pose possible economic, social, and perhaps moral drawbacks.
The reality is a marriage like described in the article might be the difference between hockey's survival in south Florida and doom. The success of such an enterprise would likely place us as participants rather than spectators for top quality players, which will be mandatory for us to survive as a market.

Not here to argue the morality of gambling. Nevertheless with a full blown casino 20 minutes from the arena site now, I don't even see the relevance of the moral argument. It's legal, and it's here. to ignore it as a major Cash flow conduit for SSE just doesn't pass any sniff test.

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My first reaction is that this is stupid.


Having a family friendly atmosphere is important for pro sports teams.

An NHL team should be able to stand on its own and worry about making every game some type of entertainment venue for people who are not truly invested in the hockey game.

How many times will you ask someone: "How did you become a Panther fan?" and hear the following answer:


"I was playing five dollar blackjack at the Blue Dolphin Casino, lost all my money, then got a free ticket voucher for the hockey game and I was HOOKED."
It's 100 x more about the revenue stream it'll bring.

Yet your example will happen, over and over again.

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My first reaction is that this is stupid.


Having a family friendly atmosphere is important for pro sports teams.

An NHL team should be able to stand on its own and worry about making every game some type of entertainment venue for people who are not truly invested in the hockey game.

How many times will you ask someone: "How did you become a Panther fan?" and hear the following answer:


"I was playing five dollar blackjack at the Blue Dolphin Casino, lost all my money, then got a free ticket voucher for the hockey game and I was HOOKED."
Absolutely agree. Under no circumstances would I want a casino next to the BAC. If this team is at such a disadvantage that it needs a casino in order to stay afloat, IMO we don't deserve the privilege of having an NHL team.

Also, people are talking about a casino ensuring our survival, but we don't need a casino to have stability. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the lease at the BAC doesn't even expire until 2028. So unless Broward County decides to let the team relocate, which is probably quite unlikely given that they've stuck by the team this long, we are not going anywhere.

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It's 100 x more about the revenue stream it'll bring.

Yet your example will happen, over and over again.
If the gambling thing happens, I hope it works out as you say it will.

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Absolutely agree. Under no circumstances would I want a casino next to the BAC. If this team is at such a disadvantage that it needs a casino in order to stay afloat, IMO we don't deserve the privilege of having an NHL team.
Also, people are talking about a casino ensuring our survival, but we don't need a casino to have stability. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the lease at the BAC doesn't even expire until 2028. So unless Broward County decides to let the team relocate, which is probably quite unlikely given that they've stuck by the team this long, we are not going anywhere.
PF751 i dont think the issue is relocating, we are all looking for stability, competing, and long term survival.

So I ask why if we need a casino to compete are we undeserved of a team? Do you feel the same way if, lets say, it was alcohol, for example Molson Beer?

which vice is OK?

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Don't agree with gambling, think crime follows, and I think this takes more away from the hockey.
If thats true I agree with you ....I just dont think studies have demonstrated that.

I totally respect your opinion on that as I do everyones on gambling alcohol etc.

I wont stray too far b4 i get yelled at by mods.

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PF751 i dont think the issue is relocating, we are all looking for stability, competing, and long term survival.

So I ask why if we need a casino to compete are we undeserved of a team? Do you feel the same way if, lets say, it was alcohol, for example Molson Beer?

which vice is OK?
But isn't there good chance that hockey becomes sideshow? Like it happened in other casinos, horse-, dog racing, jai alai.

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PF751 i dont think the issue is relocating, we are all looking for stability, competing, and long term survival.

So I ask why if we need a casino to compete are we undeserved of a team? Do you feel the same way if, lets say, it was alcohol, for example Molson Beer?

which vice is OK?
As other posters have mentioned though, several factors could be introduced once gambling is allowed on site. You have potential issues with crime, hockey becoming a sideshow, and making the game day experience less family friendly. I just feel that these factors outweigh any revenue increases from an on-site casino.

As for the quote that was bolded, I meant that in the context of if we ever got to the point where gambling revenue was needed to sustain the organization. I don't think we're anywhere near that point. On the contrary, as this past year showed, we are more than capable of being a successful organization and we have a passionate fanbase that wants to see this team succeed. IMO SSE doesn't need to focus on things such as gambling if it wants to continue growing the market; it just needs to focus on hockey.

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But isn't there good chance that hockey becomes sideshow? Like it happened in other casinos, horse-, dog racing, jai alai.

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Hockey is an established sport. Horse/Dog racing and Jai Alai have a history of being connected to gambling.

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As other posters have mentioned though, several factors could be introduced once gambling is allowed on site. You have potential issues with crime, hockey becoming a sideshow, and making the game day experience less family friendly. I just feel that these factors outweigh any revenue increases from an on-site casino.

As for the quote that was bolded, I meant that in the context of if we ever got to the point where gambling revenue was needed to sustain the organization. I don't think we're anywhere near that point. On the contrary, as this past year showed, we are more than capable of being a successful organization and we have a passionate fanbase that wants to see this team succeed. IMO SSE doesn't need to focus on things such as gambling if it wants to continue growing the market; it just needs to focus on hockey.
I'd like to see studies that show that casinos increase crime. I don't think the casino is going to be attached to the arena or that any gambling will actually take place inside the arena. That being said, I don't gamble. I do see the benefit casino revenues can bring though, and from a business standpoint it's an absolute no-brainer. Do you really expect Yormark, of all people, to say "Money? No, thanks."

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