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07-24-2012, 02:49 PM
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Ya, you know holgrem is really kicking him self, they coveted weber so much, they over did it. If they wanted him that bad they needed to make a trade. They just missed out on what they desperately wanted.
They were working on a deal, but Poille wanted Couturier, Schenn +. Holmgren decided that was too much.

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Do players actually get paid in the event of a lockout? If so, wtf is the point? Is the only leverage the owners gain is the fact the the players aren't on NHL ice?
They don't get paid but Weber's OS contract has HUGE signing bonus that I believe players still get even with a lockout. If that's the case, then a more cash-strapped team would be paying huge dollars to a player while not making any money from gate/TV revenue...yikes.

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One thing is for sure you won't see any favors from Poille when it comes to trading Weber, whenever that might be.

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They don't get paid but Weber's OS contract has HUGE signing bonus that I believe players still get even with a lockout.

That's why I can't see Weber being traded next summer, whether he asks for it or not. Paying a guy $20M+ for one season then trading him is a way to financially cripple a team.
How does it change the Preds financial situation if they keep him or trade him after one season? That money is gone either way.

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Do players actually get paid in the event of a lockout? If so, wtf is the point? Is the only leverage the owners gain is the fact the the players aren't on NHL ice?
No, they miss out on their regular salaries, but Weber gets a ton of bonus money, so he is sitting pretty and they have to pay out those bonuses regardless if they ever play a game next year.

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07-24-2012, 03:01 PM
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Theyre not trading him. At least for a few years. Weber really boned himself. Should have just waited for ufa but saw his buddy suter get paid and wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

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Do players actually get paid in the event of a lockout? If so, wtf is the point? Is the only leverage the owners gain is the fact the the players aren't on NHL ice?
They don't get paid in the event of a lockout, that's why the contract was structured to provide huge upfront bonuses. I'm pretty sure Shea Weber just got a $13 million minus source deductions payment deposited into his account.

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One thing is for sure you won't see any favors from Poille when it comes to trading Weber, whenever that might be.
Pretty much.

If the last place he wants to go offers the best package a year from now, then I think Shea is going to regret signing that offer sheet and not negotiating a deal.

If I was Poile I would not do him ANY favours whatsoever.

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No, they miss out on their regular salaries, but Weber gets a ton of bonus money, so he is sitting pretty and they have to pay out those bonuses regardless if they ever play a game next year.
Makes sense.

It's a big gamble. Hopefully this bodes well for the season - Poille must feel that there is a good chance that the CBA will be extended a year or that a deal will be done. Either way, they must have the cash or financing available in the event that there is no season.

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07-24-2012, 03:05 PM
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For what?
Sorry with all the daugavins talk i thought he was a dman.

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They were working on a deal, but Poille wanted Couturier, Schenn +. Holmgren decided that was too much.
That is what Flyer fans will say, but I don't think it is true. He didn't want to give up Shenn and Couturier thinking that he could get Weber for 4 firsts. If he thought Nash would match, he would have stepped up the offer. Holgrem wanted Weber bad, I think he is pissed at the moment. If he could go back, he would have made a deal. probably with one of those two involved and some firsts.

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Pretty much.

If the last place he wants to go offers the best package a year from now, then I think Shea is going to regret signing that offer sheet and not negotiating a deal.

If I was Poile I would not do him ANY favours whatsoever.
You have to think there is bad blood between Weber and the Preds now. Weber and his agent should have kept their mouths shut about wanting to go to PHI.

Will be interesting to see what sort of pressed NSH has for this. Can't imagine it will involve both Poille and Weber sitting at a table together, smiling and shaking hands.

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one good outcome of this offer sheet is that the Preds are now desperately pushing Betmman to get the season started on time. Weber's bonus is paid regardless of when the season starts and the Preds now do not want to lose any ticket revenue.

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07-24-2012, 03:21 PM
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Weber deal. That was one ugly poker game. And it looks like everybody loses.

Well, lets see if Weber is man enough to carry that contract. He better be.

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07-24-2012, 03:23 PM
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They were working on a deal, but Poille wanted Couturier, Schenn +. Holmgren decided that was too much.
In all honestly that's a pretty small amount to pay for one of the best d-men in the game. Someone had to leave Philly they can't afford all those guys if they hit their potential and if they don't hit their potential then all the better that they trade them. Basically that would have just been a Richard+ for Weber trade last year.

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07-24-2012, 03:25 PM
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In all honestly that's a pretty small amount to pay for one of the best d-men in the game. Someone had to leave Philly they can't afford all those guys if they hit their potential and if they don't hit their potential then all the better that they trade them. Basically that would have just been a Richard+ for Weber trade last year.
They would've just moved a d-man for now. When Schenn/Coututier get too good then Hartnell or Briere are gone or whoever.

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07-24-2012, 03:26 PM
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I wonder how many star RFAs will test the market, like what would prevent Hall from waiting until after July 1st to re-sign to see if he can get an offer sheet from another team with a better offer?

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I wonder how many star RFAs will test the market, like what would prevent Hall from waiting until after July 1st to re-sign to see if he can get an offer sheet from another team with a better offer?
A good offer from the club prior to July 1.

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They would've just moved a d-man for now. When Schenn/Coututier get too good then Hartnell or Briere are gone or whoever.
Well yeah but its about securing a cup ASAP. Weber puts them as a legit contender today.

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I am glad NSH matched. PHI's offersheet was an attempt to bully a small market team.

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I wonder how many star RFAs will test the market, like what would prevent Hall from waiting until after July 1st to re-sign to see if he can get an offer sheet from another team with a better offer?
He wants to stay in Edmonton. Ideally all of ebs, nuge, yaks, hall ect will take a bit less to stay here and win.

That is why it is so important to make progess this year. Not get another first round pick. If we are dead last again why the hell would hall not take as much money as possible and attempt to get the hell out.

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Pretty much.

If the last place he wants to go offers the best package a year from now, then I think Shea is going to regret signing that offer sheet and not negotiating a deal.

If I was Poile I would not do him ANY favours whatsoever.
Dreger on Twitter is saying Weber's agents are asking for a NTC/NMC. Why in god's name would Poile do that?

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Weber deal. That was one ugly poker game. And it looks like everybody loses.

Well, lets see if Weber is man enough to carry that contract. He better be.
It really wouldn't shock me if he demanded a trade as soon as that first year is up.

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Dregor reporting on Twitter that Titan Sports will ask for a NTC or NMC. Am I out to lunch, I thought that once contracts are signed that no changes were allowed?

Secondly, why would Nashville agree to that now?

Wow, have no problem with the offer sheet or the match. But IMO that takes some nerve to then ask for a NTC now.

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Dregor reporting on Twitter that Titan Sports will ask for a NTC or NMC. Am I out to lunch, I thought that once contracts are signed that no changes were allowed?

Secondly, why would Nashville agree to that now?

Wow, have no problem with the offer sheet or the match. But IMO that takes some nerve to then ask for a NTC now.
Friedman tweeting that the NHL (through the CBA) would agree with you. The offer sheet contract is the official contract he is now bound by and no changes (NMC/NTC) can be made.

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