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07-24-2012, 05:59 PM
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What we know about offersheets: Which ones will be matched and which will be accepted:

Any offer on Jamie Benn: Matched
Any offer on Evander Kane: Matched
A 6yr, 40mil offer for Jakub Voracek: Accepted
A 3yr, 9mil offer for Tom Sestito: Accepted


The last 3 to be accepted were Penner, Corson, and Gratton. All three were massively overpaid and all three never went on to do anything with their new teams.

Offersheets are signed as a way for players to get their existing teams to buck up. That's it. Cheers.


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The most logical post in this thread.

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07-24-2012, 06:21 PM
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Well if its happening, which I doubt, it certainly wont be Burke.

I'm guessing they are just saying this because it happened to Shea, they want to report something and Benn is the next best player.

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07-24-2012, 06:44 PM
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If this is real - it is unsigned at this point as there is no announcment.
Sounds like Benn's camp is leaking offersheet news to get Dallas to bid up their offering.

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If this is real - it is unsigned at this point as there is no announcment.
Sounds like Benn's camp is leaking offersheet news to get Dallas to bid up their offering.
No, it is rumor mongers trying to get page hits by throwing around the biggest name left. Both GMJN and Benn have said they are waiting for the CBA to be sorted out before they sign something, and if Benn wanted the team to make a move he could sign an offer sheet that Dallas would instantly match.

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In other news, according to my sources Benn and Barrie we're in Victoria at a club a few weeks back with no shirts on just dumping shots onto their bare chests.

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Benn is a left wing and Montreal has a very obvious hole on the 1st line LW. Plus they have all their picks to do this.

I could really see this coming from Montreal.
XXXXXXX - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Still doubtful to make the playoffs. Could be a couple top 5 picks.

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What we know about offersheets: Which ones will be matched and which will be accepted:

Any offer on Jamie Benn: Matched
Any offer on Evander Kane: Matched
A 6yr, 40mil offer for Jakub Voracek: Accepted
A 3yr, 9mil offer for Tom Sestito: Accepted


The last 3 to be accepted were Penner, Corson, and Gratton. All three were massively overpaid and all three never went on to do anything with their new teams.

Offersheets are signed as a way for players to get their existing teams to buck up. That's it. Cheers.


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I don't agree with the bolded, per se.

I truly believe Weber signed the offer-sheet with the idea that Nashville wasn't going to step up to the plate with that kind of coin. And it's still pretty shocking to me that their ownership was able to do so even though it was the right move.

IMO, Shea Weber's prerogative is to play for a contending team. Sure the money is there, but he's going to get that offer anywhere he drifts to in this league. Philidelphia was a greener pasture to him and he bit on that opportunity.

As for your example of successful offer-sheets being a sign of them yielding negative results... although at the time, the Dustin Penner contract seemed rather inflated, it turned out very well for the team who signed him to it. He turned out to be an offensive catalyst in Edmonton and his trade in the final year of his contract yielded a similar return to the compensation that Anaheim had received.

And with teams like Florida inflating contracts and taking on high cap players just to hit the cap-floor, it wouldn't be surprising to see teams like them targeting middle-ground players from cap-heavy teams as an alternative. It would definitely make for a more interesting off-season.

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Toronto - I doubt Burke would do it after the fuss he made following the Penner offer sheet
Montreal - Might do it because they had a great draft and could consider those picks expendable. Benn is the big center the team has needed, but so is Galchenyuk.
Ottawa - No space with Spezza and Turris
Winnipeg - no space and I don't see Chevy doing it. Although we have three 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders next year, the 2013 draft is supposed to be very deep.
Edmonton - No space in their top six.
Vancouver - Would make the most sense if they didn't have Sedin and Kesler
Calgary - I could see Feaster doing it.
God forbid Turris play third line

Benn can play wing BTW...

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Toronto - I doubt Burke would do it after the fuss he made following the Penner offer sheet
Montreal - Might do it because they had a great draft and could consider those picks expendable. Benn is the big center the team has needed, but so is Galchenyuk.
Ottawa - No space with Spezza and Turris
Winnipeg - no space and I don't see Chevy doing it. Although we have three 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders next year, the 2013 draft is supposed to be very deep.
Edmonton - No space in their top six.
Vancouver - Would make the most sense if they didn't have Sedin and Kesler
Calgary - I could see Feaster doing it.
They would make space, Gagner could be moved and Benn can also play LW

Hall-Benn-Hemsky
Yakupov-RNH-Eberle

Move Gagner for a dman or

Benn-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Gagner-Yakupov

Hemsky on the third line with Smyth and Horcoff or traded for a dman.

but I doubt it's them. They'd be targeting D men I would think.

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07-24-2012, 09:33 PM
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Flames will not trade Bouwmeester for a 2nd round pick and "B level prospect." Fistric would be a throw in. He would be redundant in Calgary.

Agree that a #1 C holds more value than a #2 D however.
So you are claiming to be better connected than members of the MSM. I'll take my chances with the radio guys.

Fistric may not hold huge value but is certainly not a throw in. As for Bouwmeester he may be a top pairing guy on SOME teams but he does not bring enough to the table when his salary is taken into account and that is why his value is not what you would like it to be. Never in a million years would JBo be the centerpiece going back in a deal for Benn.

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In other news, according to my sources Benn and Barrie we're in Victoria at a club a few weeks back with no shirts on just dumping shots onto their bare chests.
I believe it was before/after my cousins wedding that Benn attended


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The only thing that makes sense is it is a typical Feaster move. Does not accept that he needs to rebuild and thinks he is a contender still.

Calgary does desperately need a centre though so that is why Bob suggested Calgary.

Feaster is stupid enough to think his draft picks aren't going to be top ten for years to come.
Flames havent had a pick under 9 since 1998 and havent had a pick under 5 since 1987. They have also had a winning record since the 03/04 season. A very injured Flames team barely missed the playoffs and they have improved a bit over the offseason. Our pick will be between 10-20 based on actual logic. Are things going to change just because you say they are?

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So you are claiming to be better connected than members of the MSM. I'll take my chances with the radio guys.

Fistric may not hold huge value but is certainly not a throw in. As for Bouwmeester he may be a top pairing guy on SOME teams but he does not bring enough to the table when his salary is taken into account and that is why his value is not what you would like it to be. Never in a million years would JBo be the centerpiece going back in a deal for Benn.
Just like Dubinsky wasn't going to be the main piece going back in a trade for Nash?

Elite players hardly ever return equivalent returns. That's why everybody wants them, they are hard to get and nearly impossible to replace.

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Didn't Bob also say the Oilers were going to pick Ryan Murray.

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Flames havent had a pick under 9 since 1998 and havent had a pick under 5 since 1987. They have also had a winning record since the 03/04 season. A very injured Flames team barely missed the playoffs and they have improved a bit over the offseason. Our pick will be between 10-20 based on actual logic. Are things going to change just because you say they are?
Problem with the Flames is that the rest of the Northwest improved too.
Flames were 15-6-3 vs the Northwest last season and I expect that will go down as the Avs, Wild and to a lesser extent the Oilers improve.

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Problem with the Flames is that the rest of the Northwest improved too.
Flames were 15-6-3 vs the Northwest last season and I expect that will go down as the Avs, Wild and to a lesser extent the Oilers improve.
And the Flames didn't?

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Still doubtful to make the playoffs. Could be a couple top 5 picks.
Coaching is the habs only major issue.

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Just like Dubinsky wasn't going to be the main piece going back in a trade for Nash?

Elite players hardly ever return equivalent returns. That's why everybody wants them, they are hard to get and nearly impossible to replace.
Nash requested a trade and named his options, Benn doesn't have that option. If 29 teams were bidding, the return would have been much bigger.

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my sources in my head are saying benn to vancouver pp4
pp4?

sweet jesus.

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Didn't Bob also say the Oilers were going to pick Ryan Murray.
i would have to point out that no one knows who the oil will draft. they decide the morning of the draft. the oilers even after the announcement to the scouts... do not tell others until its oficial on the podium.

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I don't agree with the bolded, per se.

I truly believe Weber signed the offer-sheet with the idea that Nashville wasn't going to step up to the plate with that kind of coin. And it's still pretty shocking to me that their ownership was able to do so even though it was the right move.

IMO, Shea Weber's prerogative is to play for a contending team. Sure the money is there, but he's going to get that offer anywhere he drifts to in this league. Philidelphia was a greener pasture to him and he bit on that opportunity.

As for your example of successful offer-sheets being a sign of them yielding negative results... although at the time, the Dustin Penner contract seemed rather inflated, it turned out very well for the team who signed him to it. He turned out to be an offensive catalyst in Edmonton and his trade in the final year of his contract yielded a similar return to the compensation that Anaheim had received.

And with teams like Florida inflating contracts and taking on high cap players just to hit the cap-floor, it wouldn't be surprising to see teams like them targeting middle-ground players from cap-heavy teams as an alternative. It would definitely make for a more interesting off-season.
in his time here he led the team in goals all the time, missed 2 games in 3 years (healthy scratched by macT) and played every line with a decent +/-. he was actually extremely consistent. slow compared to the rest of the tiny team but otherwise very good. also one of the funniest dry humors in the league. was worth every penny and we got klefbom with the pick

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Well that's not going to end well.

Question for Dallas fans...

Team [A] signs Jamie Benn to an offer sheet of 5 years, worth $6 725 000, meaning the compensation would be a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Round Pick. What do the Stars do? I think they'd match.
This Dallas fan would match anything except the four 1st's option unless the term was absolutely ridiculous. 5 years isn't.

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This Dallas fan would match anything except the four 1st's option unless the term was absolutely ridiculous. 5 years isn't.
And no GM is stupid enough to throw out a 12+ year offer sheet or 7+M per on a guy like Benn. He's not worth that yet.

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Nothing worse than having something attributed to you that is total BS!

A guy tweeted our show "Oilers Now" and said "did you here there is a rumour of an RFA Offer Sheet from a Canadian team for Jamie Benn.
I responded by saying that is way out there, had not heard that, but based on organizational need maybe Calgary who is weak at center might make sense.
Nonetheless I then reiterated, this was a completely unfounded rumour.

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This Dallas fan would match anything except the four 1st's option unless the term was absolutely ridiculous. 5 years isn't.
So $90M over 15 years?

Something tells me Dallas ownership isn't going to let Vancouver get any of their players via offersheet.

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What we know about offersheets: Which ones will be matched and which will be accepted:
A 6yr, 40mil offer for Jakub Voracek: Accepted

Offersheets are signed as a way for players to get their existing teams to buck up. That's it. Cheers.


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I'd do a Voracek offer, maybe $55M over 10 years. I can't see the Flyers not matching though.

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