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07-22-2012, 06:38 PM
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2nd line ? At least in October-November :
13-88-81

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07-22-2012, 06:41 PM
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2nd line ? At least in October-November :
13-88-81
I loved that line...it worked.

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07-22-2012, 07:02 PM
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I loved that line...it worked.
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2nd line ? At least in October-November :
13-88-81
but kane can't play center!

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07-22-2012, 08:56 PM
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2nd line ? At least in October-November :
13-88-81
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I loved that line...it worked.
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but kane can't play center!
Yep. I hate when people say things like "so and so is NOT TOP 6 MATERIAL."

We should put a rating system together to create elite/above average lines by player profile.

Let's say Kane:
Playmaking: elite
Sniping: above average
Speed: above average
Puck Strength: elite
Def Awareness: average (arguable)
Net Presence: N/A
Grit: N/A

Hossa:
Playmaking: above average
Sniping: above average
Speed: average
Puck Strength: elite
Def Awareness: elite
Net Presence: below average
Grit: average

Carcillo:
Playmaking: average
Sniping: average
Speed: average
Puck Strength: average
Def Awareness: average
Net Presence: above average
Grit: above average

That line is either elite or above average in most categories applicable to a solid first line in the west. What Kane and Hossa lack Carcillo brings to the table. Imagine if we were able to keep them healthy all year and have a 1st line of
Sharp/Toews/Doan
It'd be real hard to keep the puck out of the net, even for the trappers.

Obviously, you can come up with a few more categories.

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07-23-2012, 09:14 AM
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Yep. I hate when people say things like "so and so is NOT TOP 6 MATERIAL."

We should put a rating system together to create elite/above average lines by player profile.

Let's say Kane:
Playmaking: elite
Sniping: above average
Speed: above average
Puck Strength: elite
Def Awareness: average (arguable)
Net Presence: N/A
Grit: N/A

Hossa:
Playmaking: above average
Sniping: above average
Speed: average
Puck Strength: elite
Def Awareness: elite
Net Presence: below average
Grit: average

Carcillo:
Playmaking: average
Sniping: average
Speed: average
Puck Strength: average
Def Awareness: average
Net Presence: above average
Grit: above average

That line is either elite or above average in most categories applicable to a solid first line in the west. What Kane and Hossa lack Carcillo brings to the table. Imagine if we were able to keep them healthy all year and have a 1st line of
Sharp/Toews/Doan
It'd be real hard to keep the puck out of the net, even for the trappers.

Obviously, you can come up with a few more categories.
agreed.
playmaker-sniper-grit 2nd line will be good.Forget Kruger, Pirri, Doan etc., this is ideal combination.
Btw., if Hawks have free sallary cap space, they should use it to D3

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07-23-2012, 07:36 PM
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agreed.
playmaker-sniper-grit 2nd line will be good.Forget Kruger, Pirri, Doan etc., this is ideal combination.
Btw., if Hawks have free sallary cap space, they should use it to D3
People seem to think that this line is the second coming of the party line.

I like Carcillo, but he is no Al Secord
I love Kane, but he is no centermen

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07-23-2012, 10:00 PM
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People seem to think that this line is the second coming of the party line.

I like Carcillo, but he is no Al Secord
I love Kane, but he is no centermen
I think he's the best solution we have.Hawks are playing w/o natural skilled 2C at least 3 seasons...Sharp/Bolland are not playmakers (which Hossa needs), Kruger is not top6 player (Hoss didn't score any goal when Kruger was on ice in 20+/- games, 5x5).

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I think he's the best solution we have.Hawks are playing w/o natural skilled 2C at least 3 seasons...Sharp/Bolland are not playmakers (which Hossa needs), Kruger is not top6 player (Hoss didn't score any goal when Kruger was on ice in 20+/- games, 5x5).
just because he is the "best option we have" doesn't make him a good option.

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Stalberg-Toews-Kane
Sharp-Bolland**-Hossa
Saad-Arnott-Shaw
Bickell-Mayers-Smith

Keith-Oduya
Seabrook-Hammer
Leddy-Brookbank

Crawford/Bernier







Keith-Hammer
Leddy-Seabrook
Brookbank-Montador

Crawford
Bernier(hammer)

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I love the idea of a 13-88-81 second line, but who plays 1RW?

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07-25-2012, 12:34 AM
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I love the idea of a 13-88-81 second line, but who plays 1RW?
25-19-10
13-88-81

with Q, we will see every possible lines

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07-25-2012, 01:14 AM
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13-88-81

with Q, we will see every possible lines
I don't hate that first line. 25 and 10 have shown fantastic chemistry, and Toews is always money.

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07-25-2012, 01:49 AM
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I think he's the best solution we have.Hawks are playing w/o natural skilled 2C at least 3 seasons...Sharp/Bolland are not playmakers (which Hossa needs), Kruger is not top6 player (Hoss didn't score any goal when Kruger was on ice in 20+/- games, 5x5).
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just because he is the "best option we have" doesn't make him a good option.
I hate that argument, Crawford is the best option we have for a goalie too, doesn't make him a good one.

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i'd prefer sharp on the left side and stalberg on the right. sharp can be money when his one timer is on

sharp toews stalberg
carcillo kane hossa
bickell bolland shaw

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I hate that argument, Crawford is the best option we have for a goalie too, doesn't make him a good one.
sorry, are you quoting me and agreeing with me? or disagreeing with me?

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sorry, are you quoting me and agreeing with me? or disagreeing with me?
agreeing, Kane being our best option doesn't make him a legit C, it's because we don't have a legit C he is our best option.

I was using Crawford as the similar example, Craw is our #1 because we don't have a real #1 not because Crawford should be.

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agreeing, Kane being our best option doesn't make him a legit C, it's because we don't have a legit C he is our best option.

I was using Crawford as the similar example, Craw is our #1 because we don't have a real #1 not because Crawford should be.
I'm still from the camp that believes Crow can bounce back, but I was just checking. Very rarely do I have someone agree with me on here.

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Sharp-Toews-Kane
Saad-Bolland-Hossa
Shaw-Kruger-Stalberg


(Kruger and Stalberg looked good on Swedens WHC third line)

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Sharp-Toews-Kane
Saad-Bolland-Hossa
Shaw-Kruger-Stalberg


(Kruger and Stalberg looked good on Swedens WHC third line)
Kruger and Stalberg on our checking line? NO!

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Sharp-Toews-Kane
Saad-Bolland-Hossa
Shaw-Kruger-Stalberg


(Kruger and Stalberg looked good on Swedens WHC third line)


That 3rd line would have a very difficult time shutting down top lines in the NHL on an every night basis.

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That 3rd line would have a very difficult time shutting down top lines in the NHL on an every night basis.
Or on an any night basis.

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That 3rd line would have a very difficult time shutting down top lines in the NHL on an every night basis.
LOL! Our top two scoring lines would also be our two best checking lines, then we would be basically rolling out two 4th lines after that.

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that 3rd line wouldn't be that bad during the RS... no chance in the POs

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