I propose that one of the negotiable details of the final contract be that Weber fires those agents of his .
Seriously, though, it was brought up by one of the TSN analysts that a NTC might smooth over any ill will that the process might've caused. It's easy to say "no way," since the Preds don't need to, but doing so wouldn't be a great start to a 14-year commitment that you still need the player to be happy for the duration of. A full NTC wouldn't be smart, but a limited one might be OK, where Weber could submit either a list of teams that he would accept a trade to or one that he wouldn't accept a trade to. I'd propose that a limited NTC where Weber can submit a list 10 teams that he wouldn't accept a trade to could smooth over things and alleviate any fears of his of being traded to a bottom feeder, while, at the same time, still leaving the Preds 20 potential suitors to help get the best return if it should ever come to that.
I'm not sure if this is possible under the CBA, and I don't really feel like combing through it right now to find out if it is... but
Why not offer him a limited NTC that starts in a couple of years? That gives the Preds flexibility up front in case they realize they made a huge mistake, gives Weber the incentive to not just dog it (he could be traded to a ****** team), and also strikes a nice compromise. He gets his NTC, just not right off the bat.
Now if a NTC has to start at the beginning of a contract then obviously that wouldn't work.
Nobody underestimated the money being there, it was the commitment, and as Wilson says, that is there.
Actually I would say Holmgren DID underestimate the money being there because of how it was structured. For instance while the contract is apparently only about 6 mil more than what Nashville offered, i'm going to guess there was less money up front, and less guaranteed (bonus) money. For example, the way this contract is structured Weber gets a solid pay day if a lockout happens.
Actually I would say Holmgren DID underestimate the money being there because of how it was structured. For instance while the contract is apparently only about 6 mil more than what Nashville offered, i'm going to guess there was less money up front, and less guaranteed (bonus) money. For example, the way this contract is structured Weber gets a solid pay day if a lockout happens.
Correct...but its still about are you willing to potentially risk $78m in uninsurable money. Philly was, and so was NSH.
If Weber gets "prongered" in game 1 of this deal...your ownership will not be happy.
I'm not sure if this is possible under the CBA, and I don't really feel like combing through it right now to find out if it is... but
Why not offer him a limited NTC that starts in a couple of years? That gives the Preds flexibility up front in case they realize they made a huge mistake, gives Weber the incentive to not just dog it (he could be traded to a ****** team), and also strikes a nice compromise. He gets his NTC, just not right off the bat.
Now if a NTC has to start at the beginning of a contract then obviously that wouldn't work.
The Preds should not give Weber a NTC. Although we today intend to keep Weber for the duration of his career, a lot can change in 14 years. We never want what happened to Columbus with Nash to happen to us with Weber. If given a NTC, Weber could theoretically demand a trade and then make a very short list of where he would be willing to go, limiting the Preds potential return.
Some say we should offer a limited 10 team NTC, but even that could be damaging. Weber’s agents could eliminate all the big $ teams in the east (pit, Nyr,etc) except for Flyers knowing the Preds would not deal Weber to a West team. Again,would seriously limit potential return.
I am not suggesting the Preds trade Weber. Just saying it is wise business to keep all options open. Weber and his agents knew that when they signed the offer sheet, they were potentially giving up the chance for a NTC. If it was so important, they should have just negotiated a deal directly with Poile (I’m sure Poile would have included had they negotiated exclusively with the Preds).
If they were so worried about "hard feelings" they shouldn't have signed an offer sheet. Actions have consequences ....
If Weber got "Prongered" in game one of the season they wouldn't be happy even if he were making $7m this year instead of $14m. It's the risk you take, though. You don't take steps forward without risking falling down.
A limited NTC could be created to where Weber could only pick something like 10 teams that he will NOT accept a trade to. That still gives Poile a pretty sizable field of teams from which to take offers. It could also create some goodwill between the teams.
The Pens board is hilarious right now. It's a celebration of .gif's.
It is absolutely glorious over there.
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Glad for you guys...man I hate the player agents...are they all dickheads???
His agents have to be the most unprofessional douches ever. They are absolutely terrible. How can Weber NOT be annoyed with them?!
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I propose that one of the negotiable details of the final contract be that Weber fires those agents of his .
Seriously, though, it was brought up by one of the TSN analysts that a NTC might smooth over any ill will that the process might've caused. It's easy to say "no way," since the Preds don't need to, but doing so wouldn't be a great start to a 14-year commitment that you still need the player to be happy for the duration of. A full NTC wouldn't be smart, but a limited one might be OK, where Weber could submit either a list of teams that he would accept a trade to or one that he wouldn't accept a trade to. I'd propose that a limited NTC where Weber can submit a list 10 teams that he wouldn't accept a trade to could smooth over things and alleviate any fears of his of being traded to a bottom feeder, while, at the same time, still leaving the Preds 20 potential suitors to help get the best return if it should ever come to that.
Gross. I say, don't give him an NTC at all. Just like Weber had the right to look out for himself by signing this absurd offer sheet, we have the right to look out for ourselves by not offering a NTC.
If us paying him $26M in bonuses in less than a calendar year doesn't make him happy, then he can go **** himself.
If Weber got "Prongered" in game one of the season they wouldn't be happy even if he were making $7m this year instead of $14m. It's the risk you take, though. You don't take steps forward without risking falling down.
But salary is recoupable with insurance, a bonus is not....so for example, Pronger isn't costing Philly much by finishing his career on LTIR, aside from dead offseason cap room. OFC we want him playing, but its better than writing this guy a 5m check to be hurt.
In Weber's case, its 78m at risk without the ability to recoup.
But salary is recoupable with insurance, a bonus is not....so for example, Pronger isn't costing Philly much by finishing his career on LTIR, aside from dead offseason cap room. OFC we want him playing, but its better than writing this guy a 5m check to be hurt.
In Weber's case, its 78m at risk without the ability to recoup.
I understand that. I was merely pointing out that ownership wouldn't be happy with a player of his caliber going down with a career ending injury regardless of his salary or bonus money.
I have for the most part supported Poile and given him the benefit of doubt. If he gives Weber a limited or full NTC I will forever call for his termination. If anyone should try to mend fences it is Weber. He put the screws to the Preds when he signed the offer sheet. Maybe he should forego 15 million in signing bonuses. That would clear the air a little.
It's absurd for his agent to even mention a NTC. If he lollygags next season and gives as half-ass effort, trade him to the worst team in the league. I don't think he deserves to be captain at this point. NTC... you are f'ing kidding me.
I'm not sure if this is possible under the CBA, and I don't really feel like combing through it right now to find out if it is... but
Why not offer him a limited NTC that starts in a couple of years? That gives the Preds flexibility up front in case they realize they made a huge mistake, gives Weber the incentive to not just dog it (he could be traded to a ****** team), and also strikes a nice compromise. He gets his NTC, just not right off the bat.
Now if a NTC has to start at the beginning of a contract then obviously that wouldn't work.
I think that that's possible, yes. Apparently, Tomas Kaberle had a conditional NTC in his contract whereby Toronto could trade him during the Summer if the Leafs missed the playoffs, and the NTC kicked back in if they failed to trade him by August 15th. If that was permitted under the CBA, then probably just about anything goes. The only thing is that a NTC for Weber couldn't kick in until next July 1st at the earliest, the start of what would've been his first UFA year, but the Preds can't trade him until then, anyways, so that hardly matters.
I think giving Weber a Ntc at this juncture is the height of idiocy. It shouldnt even be worth discussing.
First of congrats Preds! Second if you are able to sign contracts like these is he really going anywhere? Unless he craps the bed which I don't think he would do. He's a hockey player...who honors the game above all else, unlike other sports athletes. Disclaimer happens less in hockey
I about cried when I heard this yesterday. I mean at first when I heard it, I thought well, it's about time. Then like 2 minutes later I was all HELL YEAH SCREW YOU PHILLY and got a little teary.
Everyone is completely right when they say we did not let our team be bullied by some other big market team.
Thanks to the owners for doing everything they had to do to get this done.
I'm just glad this is over for now.
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My reaction:
This is the best one.
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Weber may have rather played in Philly, but something tells me he'll get over it really quickly when he whistles his way to the bank with a $14m check in his hand.
Time to buy a house, mofo
Unless I'm thinking of someone else, I think he just built a house in the last year or two.
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Congrats from an Oiler fan! Glad to see the bully Flyers did not come out on top this time!
Could I ask a small favor? Would you mind asking Shea to not break any of our young talent when we play you guys
Don't worry, he only breaks his own players' bones.
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Interview with Kevin Epp notes:
He sounded pretty down for a guy who just made a buttload of change. Maybe thats just him but he was about as entertaining as my carpet.
I said just after the interview "Gee Mr. Epp, calm down."
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So i'm watching the Simpsons on FOX17... where the news/weather crawl would normally come on it just popped up with "TAKE THAT, PHILLY!"
Oh please tell me someone got a picture of that! That is awesome!
Give him a NTC, it helps re-build the relationship and it's not like we're trading him anytime soon anyway. The structure of this contract basically ensures that he's not going to be traded until the last couple of seasons. I don't believe there's any way a guy would ever give "10 teams he wouldn't accept a trade to", that leaves way too broad of a field that he could be traded too and basically negates the purpose of a NTC. It's more likely "5 teams he would definitely accept a trade to".
As for Rick Nash, that was just Howson being a moron, he had better offers at the deadline than what he accepted this week.
Give him a NTC, it helps re-build the relationship and it's not like we're trading him anytime soon anyway. The structure of this contract basically ensures that he's not going to be traded until the last couple of seasons. I don't believe there's any way a guy would ever give "10 teams he wouldn't accept a trade to", that leaves way too broad of a field that he could be traded too and basically negates the purpose of a NTC. It's more likely "5 teams he would definitely accept a trade to".
As for Rick Nash, that was just Howson being a moron, he had better offers at the deadline than what he accepted this week.
14 yrs is a long time.
Why would the Preds limit their own options, when there is no need to? Even a limited NTC would be unwise imo.
Let me run a scenerio past you. Let's say in 3 yrs, Wang has his new lease/new arena legally agreed upon and is again spending. He did in the past. Opening the wallet for big moves when he thought his arena talks were making progress.
If Weber had a NTC, would he waive it to go to LI or Columbus? What if Columbus or the NYI made much stronger offers then SJ or Detroit? Is Weber allowing the Preds to send him to the team who makes the best offer ?
I wouldn't give Weber a NTC because, to me, if we truly did offer him a 104 million dollar contract, this was a clear attempt at leaving. IF I am possibly going to be dealing with a disgruntled player later on down the road, I want to have my options open.
If anyone needs to rebuild the relationship, it's Weber.....
Apparently according to WBrett Wilson, the Preds offered him $104.... and the offer sheet was $110..........yes, the terms were different... but the money was there.
Weber's agent is a jackhole. And if Poile lets any kind of ntc,nmc be put in there, he's an idiot.
Frankly, Weber needs to prove he will give the effort... He needs to rebuild the relationship.
If he's unhappy and wants out, too ****ing bad. He can be a professional or he can be a jackass. It'll show his character. And we'll all be able to see it on the ice.
I wouldn't give Weber a NTC because, to me, if we truly did offer him a 104 million dollar contract, this was a clear attempt at leaving. IF I am possibly going to be dealing with a disgruntled player later on down the road, I want to have my options open.
It isn't just the money that has my worried, but also the structure of the contract. Shea knew it wasn't going to be easy for us to match. Time will tell, but this may end up being a move where hindsight will tell us be careful you wish for. But for now we can celebrate our victory.
Nashville cannot afford a NTC in Weber's contract.
Can we all just enjoy this moment for a day without any bickering? Is it possible with this fan base? Reading some of the threads around here make me laugh. Let's enjoy the fact that Weber is signed and playing for us this coming season. Let's worry about Poile tomorrow. Let's think about what we need to do next tomorrow. Put aside all of our ill will about whatever we have ill will towards and soak up this moment. It's not every day something like this happens. This should pull us together as a fan base, not rip it apart. People are totally entitled to their opinions but can they wait a day so we can enjoy this moment? Please. Let's enjoy this and soak it all up.
How does Web go back to being the leader of this team is the big question I have??? How does he go back to being the face of the franchise after pulling a sneaky underhanded move to slip out of town through the back door?
I hope he really pulls up his socks and can make good for what he has done!
He seemed a bit miffed that Holmgren underestimated the size of his wallet. 
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