We're more thinking Frattin + Scrivens + 3rd ish. Bernier is not worth a recent 7th overall and a recent 30-goal scorer.
I didn't mean all 3. I figure ONE of those pieces has to be there. Kadri OR Kulemin. Frattin and Scrivens? Come on guys, don't do this AGAIN. It's easy to forget with Quick there that Bernier until very recently was one of the best goalie prospects in the league. His stock has taken a bit of a hit the last couple seasons as a back up and he'd be unproven as a #1 of course, but he's got enormous upside first. Kadri has yet to prove a damn thing and Kulemin is a top 6 forward but LA may not be interested in him since their top 6 is stacked.
If the Leafs offer truly is Frattin or Scrivens and a 3rd, Columbus would smash that proposal in a second.
We're more thinking Frattin + Scrivens + 3rd ish. Bernier is not worth a recent 7th overall and a recent 30-goal scorer.
Its all relative. I would trade Kulemin+Kadri+Pick for an elite starting goaltender, if he turns into that its worth it. But ya you're right at this point he's worth 2nd+roster player/b prospect.
I didn't mean all 3. I figure ONE of those pieces has to be there. Kadri OR Kulemin. Frattin and Scrivens? Come on guys, don't do this AGAIN. It's easy to forget with Quick there that Bernier until very recently was one of the best goalie prospects in the league. His stock has taken a bit of a hit the last couple seasons as a back up and he'd be unproven as a #1 of course, but he's got enormous upside first. Kadri has yet to prove a damn thing and Kulemin is a top 6 forward but LA may not be interested in him since their top 6 is stacked.
If the Leafs offer truly is Frattin or Scrivens and a 3rd, Columbus would smash that proposal in a second.
Guess we'll see then won't we.
Frattin > Kadri in some Leafs fans minds. Scrivens has proven just about as much as Bernier at the professional level.
Also, why does Columbus want Bernier? They just traded for Bob.
Edit: Some people also prefer Frattin to Kulemin. The kid's not some toss in- he's going to be a legit player.
Its all relative. I would trade Kulemin+Kadri+Pick for an elite starting goaltender, if he turns into that its worth it. But ya you're right at this point he's worth 2nd+roster player/b prospect.
Despite the promise Frattin showed us last year, we are kidding ourselves by thinking he's going to be enough to land Bernier unless a high draft pick goes with him.
IMO he's shown a helluva lot more upside than Kadri to this date, and I would have no qualms about moving Kulemin or Kadri ahead of Frattin to get this deal done.
Lombardi is no idiot and is in no rush to move Bernier..
You guys struck out on Luongo, Burke was too stubborn to maybe overpay to make his team better and improve a very important position. He cannot strike out on Bernier too. As a previous poster said, Columbus may have interest but it's minimal cause of Bobrovsky. Maybe just maybe Edmonton if they're not content with Dubnyk?
A goalie doesn't necessarily have to be in the deal, though I'm sure LA would like that as it solves a problem for them.
I think Scrivens has a lot of potential. He's NHL-ready, and isn't getting any younger. He pretty much *****-slapped the AHL in the playoffs and showed that he's ready for the NHL. What's his ceiling? I have no idea. Running with Reimer/Scrivens is a big risk but I wouldn't feel as bad as I did with Reimer/Gus.
The Kings do not need nor even likely want a goalie back in any trade. The are the deepest in the NHL in Goalie prospects and need to move a goalie so that others can develop.
They have Jones and Gibson and two other prospects at Goalie. I can see the Kings bringing in Jones as the backup this season.
You guys struck out on Luongo, Burke was too stubborn to maybe overpay to make his team better and improve a very important position. He cannot strike out on Bernier too. As a previous poster said, Columbus may have interest but it's minimal cause of Bobrovsky. Maybe just maybe Edmonton if they're not content with Dubnyk?
Struck out? Last I checked Luongo hadn't been moved. The object of trading is to pay fair market value, not overpay. Luongo's market value is considerably low when you factor in his age, contract length, limited number of teams he's willing to go to and Vancouver's goalie dilemma. The only reason a trade hasn't gone through is because Gillis is pulling a Scott Howson by thinking he has the upper hand in negotiations, which he doesn't. He thinks can get premium assets for a player whose trade value has diminished considerably and he's too stubborn to admit it.
Edmonton just signed Dubnyk to a (ridiculous) $3.5M annual deal. They're not paying him that kind of money to be a backup, and they certainly wouldn't give them that money if they weren't "content" with him.
Would you like to add anything else that's nonsensical?
You guys struck out on Luongo, Burke was too stubborn to maybe overpay to make his team better and improve a very important position. He cannot strike out on Bernier too. As a previous poster said, Columbus may have interest but it's minimal cause of Bobrovsky. Maybe just maybe Edmonton if they're not content with Dubnyk?
How do you strikeout on a player who hasn't even been traded yet?
Burke's interest in Luongo is like my interest in crappy video games. I wont look at one twice at full price but when it makes its way to the Wal-Mart value bin; I may think about it.
The most obvious one is a dog used for hunting and flushing birds (partridge and such).
Perhaps not as obvious is it can refer to a plane that is used for observation and recon. Sometimes it has military function, other times it can be used for forest fires (spotting smokes and co-ordinating bombers).
There may be other meanings but those are the two I know.
I have a feeling trading Frattin to LA will haunt us.
i think the chances of frattin who is just breaking into the league at almost 25 turning out better then kessel, lupul, jvr, and kadri are pretty slim. i dont doubt that he will be a good nhl player but the truth is he wont be better then what we already have.
trading a good player for a good player wont give me problems sleeping at night.
i dont understand the obsession that people have with frattin. if he was 19-20 then i could see the reasoning but imo this team needs legit goalie prospect far more then anther top 6 winger prospect.
its obviously a gamble but i suspect leaf management know as much as they possibly can about bernier. i trust that burke wouldnt trade for a kid that he didnt believe could do the job, especially because i get the impression that he is very high on frattin.
at the end of the day, leafs can go into next season like
lupul bozak kessel
jvr grabs kadri
kulemin mclemment mac
brown steckel komorov
lombardi/connolly
