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04-22-2006, 06:13 PM
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Refs were fine, here's what I said at the Oilers board...

A view from someone at the actual game:

I think there were a few chincy calls going both ways because the refs were looking for penalties. They knew the league expected them to crack down and call things, so they were a bit trigger happy early.

But, the bottom line was that neither team deserved many penalties at all. They both played very clean games. Edmonton played a 1-2-2 forecheck, but they did so legally. There were no calls in overtime - but not because the refs put their whistles away.

It was a good, clean, well played hockey game by both teams. Outside the chincy calls for both sides in the early goings, I think the refs settled into a good rhythm and called a fine game.

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I just wanted to say thanks to Wings fans in general for being so classy and welcoming to a fan of the opposition. You guys get a huge thumbs up from me.

Your city on the other hand...

We thank you for the kind words...we're always interested in how the other team's fans feel about us. As for the city, well, there isn't much we can do about that. Just keep in mind that the rest of Michigan isn't at all like Detroit...at least not the part where I live.

Here's to game 2 being as exciting...and a little bit more so with Pasha back.

You know, I watched the last few regular season games, and last night's, and you just don't realize how important Pasha is until you don't have him there. There was a shot last night that came right out in front of Edmonton's goal and Henrik (I think it was) missed it. I looked at that and thought, "if Pasha had been there, he'd have buried that puppy." He can't come back soon enough for me.

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04-22-2006, 07:38 PM
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I cant believe you dont agree with the Yzerman interference call. He looked over and picked the guy so his teammate could turn out of the corner. Thats textbook interference. Is it just because your captain did it? You cant pick to give a teammate a lane.
Agreed, that was an all too obvious call.

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The call when Maltby ran our goalie was weak (how do the Oilers get shorthanded out of that? Way to protect the goalies NHL. At least make it offsetting.)
They would have been offsetting if Bergeron didn't come charging in like an idiot, and if Roloson could have refrained from slashing, the Oilers would have had the PP .

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Lidstrom tackling Peca was missed.
Peca fell, and if John Garrett didn't make a big fuss over the play no one would be questioning it. Lidstrom had one hand on his stick and he was leaning forward, how the heck does he 'tackle' Peca one-handed in that position?

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The Lilja knee was borderline (Wings fans say he didnt stick out his knee, Oiler fans say is was a blatent knee, so common sense dictates that its somewhere in the middle).
Another play Garrett got worked up over. Lilja clearly did not stick his knee out and it was obvious after the replay (notice how Garrett shut up after they played it). I guess they could have called it a trip if they wanted to.

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Both sides have legitatime beefs wrt the refs (what else is new? Its sports) but Oilers have more to complain about. But thats not the reason the Oilers lost, and most fans on the Oilers board realize that.
The penalties were 8-8 so I don't see how anyone can really complain.

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04-22-2006, 07:52 PM
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Agreed, that was an all too obvious call.


They would have been offsetting if Bergeron didn't come charging in like an idiot, and if Roloson could have refrained from slashing, the Oilers would have had the PP .


Peca fell, and if John Garrett didn't make a big fuss over the play no one would be questioning it. Lidstrom had one hand on his stick and he was leaning forward, how the heck does he 'tackle' Peca one-handed in that position?


Another play Garrett got worked up over. Lilja clearly did not stick his knee out and it was obvious after the replay (notice how Garrett shut up after they played it). I guess they could have called it a trip if they wanted to.


The penalties were 8-8 so I don't see how anyone can really complain.
Well, there was also Leagcy playing the puck in the no-play zone...

The one that really got me was the Bergeron 4 minutes. Thats absolutly ********. When 2 guys push and facewash eachother, give them 2 each.

But hey, game 1 is over so whatever. Looking forward to the next game. 4 of our last 5 games have gone to overtime. Just shows how evenly matched our teams are.

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04-22-2006, 08:24 PM
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The only reason it was a 4 is because he got a bloody nose out of it. Other than that it would have been just offsetting minors for roughing maybe.

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Agreed, that was an all too obvious call..
Not that obvious. As obstruction calls go, that was borderline. Yzerman was skating in the same direction, in front of the oiler, and took one half step to his right to sort of force the guy around.
It was pretty weak.
Now, the wings got away with major obstruction two other occasions. One time Laraques was checked into the boards when he was nowhere near the puck.
And Franzen's hit on ... who was that? Well, I thought that was a pretty late hit and potentially interference.
Peca fell, and if John Garrett didn't make a big fuss over the play no one would be questioning it. Lidstrom had one hand on his stick and he was leaning forward, how the heck does he 'tackle' Peca one-handed in that position?


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Another play Garrett got worked up over. Lilja clearly did not stick his knee out and it was obvious after the replay (notice how Garrett shut up after they played it). I guess they could have called it a trip if they wanted to..
I thought that was good defense.
The hooking call on Lilja was BS.
The crosschecking call on Peca (on Z) was BS.
The Shanahan call with TWO FREAKING MINUTES LEFT IN THE THIRD IN A TIE GAME ... wow ... that was pretty brutal.
I mean, you saw how they called overtime. They didn't call a thing.
2-2 with two minutes left is basically OT, so that's a crap call.


The penalties were 8-8 so I don't see how anyone can really complain.[/QUOTE]

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There was a shot last night that came right out in front of Edmonton's goal and Henrik (I think it was) missed it. I looked at that and thought, "if Pasha had been there, he'd have buried that puppy." He can't come back soon enough for me.
We know. We know.
We all want Datsyuk back.

But it's pretty absurd to suggest that Datsyuk would have scored that. That pass was quick and in his feet. And Datsyuk's missed more than his share of open nets this year.

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We know. We know.
We all want Datsyuk back.

But it's pretty absurd to suggest that Datsyuk would have scored that. That pass was quick and in his feet. And Datsyuk's missed more than his share of open nets this year.
will Datsyuk be playing tomorrow?

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will Datsyuk be playing tomorrow?
Most likely, yes.

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Not that obvious. As obstruction calls go, that was borderline. Yzerman was skating in the same direction, in front of the oiler, and took one half step to his right to sort of force the guy around.
It was pretty weak.
No, it's definitely the correct call... Moving into a defending player who is trying to stay with the puck carrier is interference.

Standing there and having him go around you (which is what a pick is defined in every other sport), is perfectly legal, but the second you start intentionally moving into the defender, it's interference (what a lot of them do is coast backwards without looking or get body position and slow down).

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We thank you for the kind words...we're always interested in how the other team's fans feel about us. As for the city, well, there isn't much we can do about that. Just keep in mind that the rest of Michigan isn't at all like Detroit...at least not the part where I live.

Here's to game 2 being as exciting...and a little bit more so with Pasha back.

You know, I watched the last few regular season games, and last night's, and you just don't realize how important Pasha is until you don't have him there. There was a shot last night that came right out in front of Edmonton's goal and Henrik (I think it was) missed it. I looked at that and thought, "if Pasha had been there, he'd have buried that puppy." He can't come back soon enough for me.
I'm sure it isn't. I know a lot of people who have said good things about the rest of Michigan. Still, Detroit looks like it needs a serious, strong mayor.

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reason the yzerman call was BS, is that they haven't been calling picks this season. i've seen maybe 20 games, and i can't remember seeing 1 pick called, even tho they're often warranted. what yzerman did happens in every game, but it's (almost) never called.

they also usually don't call obstruction of forecheckers right after dump-ins.


det's PK was more passive than i've seen in quite a while.

z didn't have a great game. 2 bad turnovers, plus not much offense created.

datsyuk was sorely missed on offfense and PP.

shanahan didn't do much; maybe he should have played on better line.

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04-23-2006, 09:53 AM
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will Datsyuk be playing tomorrow?
Sure looks that way. But his comments made it appear that it is not 100 percent

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No, it's definitely the correct call... Moving into a defending player who is trying to stay with the puck carrier is interference.

Standing there and having him go around you (which is what a pick is defined in every other sport), is perfectly legal, but the second you start intentionally moving into the defender, it's interference (what a lot of them do is coast backwards without looking or get body position and slow down).

Yeah, I heard you the first time.
HOWEVER, Yzerman had his back to the player. He was moving, too. And he took a half step into the guys patch, without forcing him into the goal. It was borderline.
If he takes a full step or two steps, or if he took a half step and stood still, or if he was facing the guy and stepped over, it would be automatic.

Considering that Lang was already in the process of curling around away from him, it was a very borderline call.

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they also usually don't call obstruction of forecheckers right after dump-ins.
Those are the ones I hate the most, and wish they'd call them more often. That play was one of the reasons Calgary was able to neutralize Detroit's offense so easily. If you can't carry the puck in because the other team is trapping, and the dump-and-chase is taken away from obstruction, there isn't much left to do.

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Those are the ones I hate the most, and wish they'd call them more often. That play was one of the reasons Calgary was able to neutralize Detroit's offense so easily. If you can't carry the puck in because the other team is trapping, and the dump-and-chase is taken away from obstruction, there isn't much left to do.
That's the one play they've pretty much stopped calling. As long as you don't pin the guy who's chasing the puck into the boards, you're probably going to get away with it.

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reason the yzerman call was BS, is that they haven't been calling picks this season. i've seen maybe 20 games, and i can't remember seeing 1 pick called, even tho they're often warranted. what yzerman did happens in every game, but it's (almost) never called.

oh they've called it this season, I recall on instance where Pronger was racing back into the corner for a puck, he cut in front of the opposing forward, barely touching him, collected the puck and went to the penalty box for interference. Essentially saying defencemen have no right to the puck.

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