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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Bobby Hunting [All Bobby Ryan Discussion | Part VI]

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07-25-2012, 04:28 PM
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he hasn't even proved anything of what Nash proved.
Nash is on a bigger contract because he is better!
B.Ryan plays with Ducks. that includes Getzlaf and Perry
Selanne.
who does Nash play wit? ummmm lets see? Brassard.. what else ??
ima let you answer that.
Then why don't you check to see who Bobby played with. Not Getz and Perry like the season before last, and not on the first team PP

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07-25-2012, 04:30 PM
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I thought Pavs is untouchable?

Ok then

To ANA: Ryan Clowe, Anti Niemi, Joe Pavelski and 1st
To SJ: Jonas Hiller and Bobby Ryan
Done.

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07-25-2012, 04:32 PM
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Don't need Franzen, not a fan of Pulkkinen, no room for White, and i have no idea where those picks are gonna land. I would pass rather easily on this deal.
I would definitely take Franzen as our second line LW. If we could make a second line of Franzen - Holland - Ryan, we could be in business. Obviously we need a second line center first off, but Franzen would still be a great addition IMO

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07-25-2012, 04:36 PM
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You don't need eller because you signed souray & allen?

Man, ducks fans are funny in trade proposal threads.

We don't need a 25 year-old allstar because we got 2 washed up older guys. Perfect logic.
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Done.
You see Hiller is in there right? Ya that is a big no.

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07-25-2012, 04:41 PM
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You said Bobby Ryan has never scored 38 goals before. I said put him on the 1st PP unit and he has an extremely good shot at it. What can't you understand? Do you want me to youtube it so you can hear it because you obviously aren't reading it. What does the fact that Rick Nash not being able to produce on the PP have anything to do with Ryan trying to score 38 goals. Lol

And for the love of god what does having scored 38 goals have to do with being more valuable? I'm done with you. Have a blessed day.
yea put Rick Nash with players like Getzlaf and Perry and he will get even more goals lolll
ok with Getzlaf and Perry, Ryan will hit his 38 goals lollll
with Getzlaf and Perry, Nash will hit 45 lolll
you see how your comments have no point ....

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07-25-2012, 04:43 PM
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Then why don't you check to see who Bobby played with. Not Getz and Perry like the season before last, and not on the first team PP
Selanne is better then prospal.
prospal was the closest player to Nash year and all he did
was 55 points, 16 goals...
il name you the top 6 players of CBJ and you can name me
the top 6 of Ducks.
we shall compare who has the better teamates alright?

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07-25-2012, 04:45 PM
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it's to bad Rick Nash was traded, I enjoyed not seeing all these terrible Bobby Ryan ideas, and because of that dope GM in CBJ, the Ryan ones are getting worse :

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Ryan is more valuable, but not by much. Nash is still an elite player, while Ryan isn't quite that level, the only thing that is going for him is his salary and potential.

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07-25-2012, 04:57 PM
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Ryan is more valuable, but not by much. Nash is still an elite player, while Ryan isn't quite that level, the only thing that is going for him is his salary and potential.
there we go... someone that finally uses common ***** sense!

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07-25-2012, 05:34 PM
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there we go... someone that finally uses common ***** sense!
Lolwut.. So you complain to everyone for 6 pages only to agree with everyone that told you that to begin with. makes sense....

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07-25-2012, 06:08 PM
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if Bobby Ryan doesn't get 1st PP then hes the one to blaim.
if Nash was in ANA he'd be easily on the first wave PP.
anyways why you only be counting the last 3 years in stats..?
did Bobby Ryan hit 2x40goal years? with a 38goal year in his career?
nahh don't think he did and on top of it hes in a much better team.
Nash is more expensive because he accomplished way more.
6 teams on a NTC. none of them offered more then Dubinsky ect...
please take off your Biased goggles...
look at Nash points next year with Rangers we will see if he is only
going to hit 30 goals..
You should just admit that you don't know anything about Anaheim.

Ryan isn't on the 1st PP unit because Anaheim prefers a 3F/2D setup. The three forwards are Selanne, Perry, and Getzlaf, all of whom would be ahead of Nash. That puts Nash on the 2nd PP unit, the same as Ryan.

Furthermore, Nash hasn't hit 40 goals since the 2008-2009 season, and before that he hit 40 goals in 2003-2004. With all due respect to him, lately he's been more of a 30-goal scorer than he has a 40-goal scorer, and this with 1st unit PP time. Ryan has averaged about the same amount of goals, with only 2nd unit PP time. That, on top of the extra minute of PP time Nash gets per game.

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WHETHER NASH HAS MORE PP TIME. HE HAS LESS GOALS IN PP THEN RYAN DOES IN THE LAST 4 YEARS.
when Nash hit 40 goals 4 years ago he only had 6 PPG....
all of your arguments about PP time doesnt work here sorry...
try another reason please
Sounds like an even better reason to keep Nash off the 1st PP unit. Nash is given the opportunity. That's what matters.

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he hasn't even proved anything of what Nash proved.
Nash is on a bigger contract because he is better!
If you don't understand that in today's salary cap era, a player's value doesn't have to correlate with a player's ability, you have a hell of a lot to learn. It doesn't matter if you believe Nash is more of an impact player. It wouldn't matter even if he actually was.

What does matter is that Columbus had 1-5 teams to make offers for Nash due to his NTC and did not have the option of keeping him around due to his trade request. Ryan has no NTC, so the Ducks can take offers from 29 teams for Ryan. Since Ryan also has not requested a trade, they also entirely have the option of keeping him unless someone meets their requirements, which all involved would be completely comfortable with.

Again, it's not important if you don't want to talk about these things and would rather keep debating who the better player is. These things are more important in determining a player's value in real life. If you don't get that, you have a lot of catching up with the game to do.

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Just stop kid you're embarrassing yourself.

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Ryan is more valuable, but not by much. Nash is still an elite player, while Ryan isn't quite that level, the only thing that is going for him is his salary and potential.
Nash is an elite player in name only, right now.

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It's pretty comical reading these posts about Bobby's value.

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I'm totally fine with keeping Ryan. No ryan for you

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This is getting retarded!

So Ryan produces more goals on the 2nd PP while Nash produces less with more PP time on the 1st PP...and to you that means it shouldnt be factored in...

Hate to break it to you buddy but it makes it even worst for your case.
I agree

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This is getting retarded!

So Ryan produces more goals on the 2nd PP while Nash produces less with more PP time on the 1st PP...and to you that means it shouldnt be factored in...

Hate to break it to you buddy but it makes it even worst for your case.
Is that you John Lackey?

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just throwing this out there. Dont know if its really reasonable or not. But...

CBJ-Brassard, NYR 2013 1st, CBJ 2014 2nd
Ana-Ryan (+2013 2/3rd conditional pick?)

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Ok...allow me to settle this.

Point 1.) Rick Nash is a better player then Bobby Ryan. I think anyways.

Point 2.) Ryan will fetch by far more in a trade for the following reasons.
i.) there is no NTC. This means that more teams can bid for him, thus a bidding war ensues and his return sky rockets, to a point, as multiple GMs are one upping each other.
ii.) bobby Ryan's cap hit is pretty friendly, so other teams that spend pretty well to the cap don't have to liquidate other assets to make room for him. These are the teams that the ducks want to attract as they will have depth to be able to make a legit offer.

For example: Winnipeg can only offer a defenseman. Anaheim doesn't need one. It's not like Winnipeg can actually part with any of our goal scorers, like Kane. No depth.

I could see teams like Philly, Pitts, Columbus(seriously) actually being teams that can make this deal.

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A Kane for Ryan swap makes no sense for either team.


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just throwing this out there. Dont know if its really reasonable or not. But...

CBJ-Brassard, NYR 2013 1st, CBJ 2014 2nd
Ana-Ryan (+2013 2/3rd conditional pick?)
not enough. the 1st has to be CBJ's

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A Kane for Ryan swap makes no sense for either team.




not enough. the 1st has to be CBJ's
how bout
brassard, jenner, 2014 1st
ryan 2014 2/3 conditional?

Boone jenner has shown A LOT of potential. I actually dont want to trade him but Ryan would definitely be worth it.

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how bout
brassard, jenner, 2014 1st
ryan 2014 2/3 conditional?

Boone jenner has shown A LOT of potential. I actually dont want to trade him but Ryan would definitely be worth it.
I'm not convinced he's much better than Holland or Karlsson

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I'm not convinced he's much better than Holland or Karlsson
Hes shown some real growth and he looked reallllly good at the development camp. How that will translate into the nhl? only time will tell, but i think he'll break the opening day roster.

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