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07-25-2012, 05:35 PM
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All I'm saying is I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if Kostitsyn was still cruising around on the Habs second or third line, he's a good asset to a team IMO and whoever signs him will get a pretty decent player

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You know he missed 20 games in 09-10 right? He was on target to get over 20.

And last year everyone except one line had a down year because it was a bad team with an even worse coach.
That means nothing. He scored 12 goals last year, 20 the year before, and 15 the year before that. 5 goals in his last 25 playoff games. I think he can get 20-25 goals...but it bothers me when people call him a 20-25 goal scorer when he's only hit that mark once in the last 3 seasons. Injury is irrelevant..we don't give our other players that luxury....

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07-25-2012, 06:15 PM
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That means nothing. He scored 12 goals last year, 20 the year before, and 15 the year before that. 5 goals in his last 25 playoff games. I think he can get 20-25 goals...but it bothers me when people call him a 20-25 goal scorer when he's only hit that mark once in the last 3 seasons. Injury is irrelevant..we don't give our other players that luxury....
cool i guess crosby is at best a 60 point player....

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07-25-2012, 06:24 PM
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That means nothing. He scored 12 goals last year, 20 the year before, and 15 the year before that. 5 goals in his last 25 playoff games. I think he can get 20-25 goals...but it bothers me when people call him a 20-25 goal scorer when he's only hit that mark once in the last 3 seasons. Injury is irrelevant..we don't give our other players that luxury....
You know 15 goals in 59 games is harder to do than 20 goals in 82 games, right?

It's not like calling Plekanec a 70 point player because he did it once, or calling Kostitsyn a 25+ goal scorer, but he is a pretty safe bet for 20 goals if you don't use him as a 4th liner.

In related news I heard Minnesota signed AK and got confused, then realized they were talking about Andrei Krilenko and the Timberwolves.

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according to hockeyfan2k11, markov is a 3 point a season dman. injuries are irrelevant.

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07-25-2012, 06:59 PM
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You know 15 goals in 59 games is harder to do than 20 goals in 82 games, right?

It's not like calling Plekanec a 70 point player because he did it once, or calling Kostitsyn a 25+ goal scorer, but he is a pretty safe bet for 20 goals if you don't use him as a 4th liner.

In related news I heard Minnesota signed AK and got confused, then realized they were talking about Andrei Krilenko and the Timberwolves.
Did he score 20 goals or 12 last year? I don't care what he's on pace for. I care about the total. I get what you're saying, but if we're counting on a guy scoring 23 goals and he scores 13...what he was on pace for is irrelevant. You're short 10 goals and have to make it up somewhere else.

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07-25-2012, 07:09 PM
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Did he score 20 goals or 12 last year? I don't care what he's on pace for. I care about the total. I get what you're saying, but if we're counting on a guy scoring 23 goals and he scores 13...what he was on pace for is irrelevant. You're short 10 goals and have to make it up somewhere else.
If you only care about the total here's a total for you. AK has 103G in 398 games. That's a 0.26goal per game which will give him 21goals on a full season. What's so hard to understand when people are calling AK a 20g scorer?

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07-25-2012, 07:21 PM
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If you only care about the total here's a total for you. AK has 103G in 398 games. That's a 0.26goal per game which will give him 21goals on a full season. What's so hard to understand when people are calling AK a 20g scorer?
It does not work like that. You can't take his 26 and 23 goal seasons from 4-5 years ago and apply it now. Scott Gomez was a 70 point guy 5 years ago.

If he can't top 20 goals because he's been injured, then maybe he isn't a 20 goal scorer....hmm?

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07-25-2012, 07:21 PM
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Did he score 20 goals or 12 last year? I don't care what he's on pace for. I care about the total. I get what you're saying, but if we're counting on a guy scoring 23 goals and he scores 13...what he was on pace for is irrelevant. You're short 10 goals and have to make it up somewhere else.
If you count the actual total of goals he had in the NHL last season it was 19 in 80 games. Basically 20.

The guy is about .25 goals per game his entire career with minimal fluctuations. He's about 20 goals every 82 games and looks to remain that way for a while and is basically your typical 2nd line offensive winger.

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07-25-2012, 07:27 PM
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It does not work like that. You can't take his 26 and 23 goal seasons from 4-5 years ago and apply it now. Scott Gomez was a 70 point guy 5 years ago.

If he can't top 20 goals because he's been injured, then maybe he isn't a 20 goal scorer....hmm?
It doesn't work like that because YOU don't want it to work like that. An overall career stat is way more accurate that picking some season and ignoring others.

Call him 15 goals scorer if you want, like it would changes anything. He still averages 21 g in a 82 games season. That is a fact that you cannot deny.

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07-25-2012, 08:04 PM
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It doesn't work like that because YOU don't want it to work like that. An overall career stat is way more accurate that picking some season and ignoring others.

Call him 15 goals scorer if you want, like it would changes anything. He still averages 21 g in a 82 games season. That is a fact that you cannot deny.
And yet he hasn't hit his 21 goal average in 4 years.

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07-25-2012, 08:13 PM
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And yet he hasn't hit his 21 goal average in 4 years.
First, he got 23 in 08-09, which is 4 years ago.

As far as I know, AK is not in the league for 4 years but 8. You know, when I say average in his career, I'm talking about.. his career. So I don't know why you keep using his last 4 years (should be 3 though since he scored 23 in 08-09).

So let me repeat this one more time. AK has an average of 21g in 82 games in his career.

I think we can all see that you are embarrassing yourself and your is just covering it.

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07-25-2012, 08:19 PM
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07-25-2012, 08:19 PM
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It does not work like that. You can't take his 26 and 23 goal seasons from 4-5 years ago and apply it now. Scott Gomez was a 70 point guy 5 years ago.

If he can't top 20 goals because he's been injured, then maybe he isn't a 20 goal scorer....hmm?
It counts his 26&23 goal seasons but also counts his two rookie years were he played only 34 games and scored 3 goals playing 4 minutes a game.

He actually does average around 20g per 82 games played every year. AK one of the best examples of a 20g scorer you can find. Comparing it to Gomez who has been on a downward trend for years is preposterous.

Kostitsyn's goal per game average :

07/08 - 27
08/09 - 25
09/10 - 20.8
10/11 - 20.2
11/12 - 18.2

His goals dropped after Kovalev left and Markov got injured basically. This drop is also conveniently timed with Martin's arrival and the butchering of Kostitsyn's powerplay time. He's a far better player than people here give him credit for.

Nobody's perfect. Sure, he lacks consistancy. Moen has stone hands, Gorges has no offensive flair and Eller never uses his wingers yet everyone loves them.

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And yet he hasn't hit his 21 goal average in 4 years.
Do you know what an average is? If he scored 21 goals for us last year, he would have been on pace for 32 goals over a full year.

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07-25-2012, 08:21 PM
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And yet he hasn't hit his 21 goal average in 4 years.
just quit, you lost.

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It counts his 26&23 goal seasons but also counts his two rookie years were he played only 34 games and scored 3 goals playing 4 minutes a game.

He actually does average around 20g per 82 games played every year. AK one of the best examples of a 20g scorer you can find. Comparing it to Gomez who has been on a downward trend for years is preposterous.

Kostitsyn's goal per game average :

07/08 - 27
08/09 - 25
09/10 - 20.8
10/11 - 20.2
11/12 - 18.2

His goals dropped after Kovalev left and Markov got injured basically. This drop is also conveniently timed with Martin's arrival and the butchering of Kostitsyn's powerplay time. He's a far better player than people here give him credit for.

Nobody's perfect. Sure, he lacks consistancy. Moen has stone hands, Gorges has no offensive flair and Eller never uses his wingers yet everyone loves them.
Eller had no problem using his winger when that winger was Andrei Kostitsyn.

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makes no point, over uses an emoticon = loss.

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Eller had no problem using his winger when that winger was Andrei Kostitsyn.
Probably because AK is the only quality player Eller has played with for more than a shift or two.

Oh wait I forgot the memo! Kostitsyn is garbage and polluted the team

Lets enjoy Bourque now I guess..

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Probably because AK is the only quality player Eller has played with for more than a shift or two.

Oh wait I forgot the memo! Kostitsyn is garbage and polluted the team

Lets enjoy Bourque now I guess..
Until we trade Bourque for someone with more character. I hear Jody Shelley has a lot of character.

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