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Flyers re-sign Jakub Voracek (4 years, $4.2M per)

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07-26-2012, 11:09 AM
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how can someone be "awful" at offer-sheeting? It is not like they lose anything.

In fact, even if the OS isnt won, they still win by keeping the player away from rivals.

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07-26-2012, 11:10 AM
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$4.25M for a 22 year old kid that hasn't really had the chance to shine and still managed ~50 points in each of the last 3 seasons? I'd take it any day of the week and so would the 29 other teams.

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07-26-2012, 11:11 AM
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Voracek is definitely not better than the bolded.

I'd say JVR is the best comparison.
I said better than OR comparable to those players.

Voracek scored 50 points at 20 years old, 46 points are 21 years old and 49 points at 22 years old. Hes a good 2 way player and like I said, he's significantly younger than most of those guys.

Ladd is 4 years older and only has 1 season better than Voracek's 50 point season. I would not trade jake for Ladd.

Fisher is 10 years older than Jake and has a career high of 53 points. He also signed his contract when the cap was lower so the percentage his cap hit used was higher and at the time, he had never broken 50 points, something Jake did when he was 20. I would not trade Jake for Fisher.

Versteeg is 4 years older and signed a contract a few days ago for slightly more than Jake. He had a career high 54 points last season. Having seen both Voracek and Versteeg in Philly, I think most Flyers fans would say we would rather have Jake.

Callahan has a career high 54 points and signed his deal before he ever scored 50. Callahan brings a lot to the table other than points so I will agree that he is more valuable than Jake.

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07-26-2012, 11:12 AM
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totally fair deal, esp considering it burns a year of UFA.
guy scored 5 pts as a 20-YO ...he's going to light it up over this contract

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07-26-2012, 11:12 AM
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It is far easier to trade a signed player..Voracek will be gone b4 the season starts. His time in Philly is almost over.Packaged to the West for some Dman help.

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07-26-2012, 11:13 AM
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He is dynamic player but he was just as dynamic with Columbus as he is with Philly. Don't think he IS worth the contract now but Philly probably pay for potential and in 2-3 times he could be worth it or more

I'm probably more surprise at the length than at the dollar figure. Philly should have bought out more years of UFA with that per year amount. Its like Philly pay for his potential yet once he realizes his potential, the team would have to pay him even more. This contract clearly favors Voracek, IMO

I think this is Philly getting scared of retaliation offer sheet from...say Nashville. They don't want to wait and end up paying more


I agree 100%.

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07-26-2012, 11:15 AM
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I'd love to have Voracek locked up on this contract with the Pens. Sucks he's with Philly, they've got a great group of forwards.

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07-26-2012, 11:15 AM
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Fair deal. Perhaps a little more than I was expecting to see, but considering the length it's a good deal.

However, It makes me quite appreciative of Couture and Pavelski's contracts. Giroux is going to get absolutely paid in a couple of years.

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07-26-2012, 11:18 AM
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The terrible trolls are out. Must be summer break for them.

Good signing

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how can someone be "awful" at offer-sheeting? It is not like they lose anything.

In fact, even if the OS isnt won, they still win by keeping the player away from rivals.


He's awful since he wanted Weber bad (look up the interviews after Nashville matched it, you can find it on TSN), he was clearly disappointed. If he wanted Weber he should've offered more or he should've just stayed out of it.

Weber is gonna ask for a trade anyways within 3 years, probably after next season. Then he can package Voracek and some other pieces for him.

Would make sense since he 1: wants Weber. 2: Seems to like to trade players signed +4 years.

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Good deal for Voracek and the Flyers

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07-26-2012, 11:19 AM
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Looks like a deal that will pay for his high potential and hope he reaches it. Looks high now, but could be a steal in a couple of years.

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07-26-2012, 11:20 AM
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This is excellent value.
5 years and 7 months younger than Grabovski... Same games played, Voracek has just 20-ish fewer points than Grabovski...
Leafs inked Grabo at 5.5 while Voracek - who will be their top line rw with Jagr gone - to 4.25.

Anyone who thinks this is bad value has not watched Voracek enough.

I bet he gets 70points this year.

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I can't believe Dallas has Eriksson until 2016 for the same cap hit.

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He's awful since he wanted Weber bad (look up the interviews after Nashville matched it, you can find it on TSN), he was clearly disappointed. If he wanted Weber he should've offered more or he should've just stayed out of it.

Weber is gonna ask for a trade anyways within 3 years, probably after next season. Then he can package Voracek and some other pieces for him.

Would make sense since he 1: wants Weber. 2: Seems to like to trade players signed +4 years.
Why do you think Weber wants to play with the Flyers? Because his agent said so on talk radio after he signed the OS?

Weber wanted a lifetime contract and he got it. He'll finish his career in Nashville.

As for Holmgren, he wanted Weber but he didn't want to give up his young stars or totally break the team's finances. So he gave it his best shot. I wouldn't have offered Weber more, personally.

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07-26-2012, 11:22 AM
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Looks like a deal that will pay for his high potential and hope he reaches it. Looks high now, but could be a steal in a couple of years.
Yes good in a couple of years, lead him straight to Unrestricted free agency.

Year alone or dollar amount alone, its not a bad contract. Together, IMO, not very good. If its 6 years, i think its a fair contract for both parties

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Feels more like an UFA contract than a RFA contract to me.

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07-26-2012, 11:24 AM
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Feels more like an UFA contract than a RFA contract to me.
The last year is a UFA deal.. Good deal

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How can that be overpriced with the new cap

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This is excellent value.
5 years and 7 months younger than Grabovski... Same games played, Voracek has just 20-ish fewer points than Grabovski...
Leafs inked Grabo at 5.5 while Voracek - who will be their top line rw with Jagr gone - to 4.25.

Anyone who thinks this is bad value has not watched Voracek enough.

I bet he gets 70points this year.
Grabo contract is all UFA years, and Voracek covers only RFA years.

I don't like some of the comparison, like the Ladd, Versteeg, becuase those contracts coverered a lot of UFA years.

The best comparison is JVR, but Philly signed him to his current contract too..

Not saying its a bad deal money wise, but I just don't like that the deal takes him right to UFA status, a 2-3 year deal would have been better for the Flyers, so they keep control of him after the contract.

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07-26-2012, 11:26 AM
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Yes good in a couple of years, lead him straight to Unrestricted free agency.

Year alone or dollar amount alone, its not a bad contract. Together, IMO, not very good. If its 6 years, i think its a fair contract for both parties
No problem with going to a UFA for me especially if he reaches his potential.

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I said better than OR comparable to those players.

Voracek scored 50 points at 20 years old, 46 points are 21 years old and 49 points at 22 years old. Hes a good 2 way player and like I said, he's significantly younger than most of those guys.

Ladd is 4 years older and only has 1 season better than Voracek's 50 point season. I would not trade jake for Ladd.

Fisher is 10 years older than Jake and has a career high of 53 points. He also signed his contract when the cap was lower so the percentage his cap hit used was higher and at the time, he had never broken 50 points, something Jake did when he was 20. I would not trade Jake for Fisher.

Versteeg is 4 years older and signed a contract a few days ago for slightly more than Jake. He had a career high 54 points last season. Having seen both Voracek and Versteeg in Philly, I think most Flyers fans would say we would rather have Jake.

Callahan has a career high 54 points and signed his deal before he ever scored 50. Callahan brings a lot to the table other than points so I will agree that he is more valuable than Jake.
agreed on all your points. Vocacek has great speed as well. He's a very good talent pretty much any team would be happy to have and I would like him more than everyone you talked about with the exception of the last.

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Why do people on here seem to think RFA means you are supposed to sign for 25% less?

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Grabo contract is all UFA years, and Voracek covers only RFA years.

I don't like some of the comparison, like the Ladd, Versteeg, becuase those contracts coverered a lot of UFA years.

The best comparison is JVR, but Philly signed him to his current contract too..

Not saying its a bad deal money wise, but I just don't like that the deal takes him right to UFA status, a 2-3 year deal would have been better for the Flyers, so they keep control of him after the contract.
Three years would have taken him to UFA as well--right? He has 4 years of service already.

Two years would have been pretty risky for the Flyers--if he does what they expect, and jumps to 60+ points this year, they'd be looking at a much bigger payout.

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I bet he gets 70points this year.
Lol, I'll gladly take that bet!

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