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Penguins #5 prospect

View Poll Results: Who is our #5 prospect?
Teddy Blueger (17, Shattuck St. Mary's/USHS) 1 0.62%
Robert Bortuzzo (23, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 0 0%
Ben Hanowski (21, St. Cloud State/WCHA) 0 0%
Scott Harrington (19, London Knights/OHL) 58 35.80%
Tom Kühnhackl (20, Niagara IceDogs/OHL) 3 1.85%
Olli Määttä (17, London Knights/OHL) 21 12.96%
Derrick Pouliot (18, Portland Winterhawks/WHL) 70 43.21%
Brian Strait (24, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 1 0.62%
Eric Tangradi (23, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 8 4.94%
Dominik Uher (19, Spokane Chiefs/WHL) 0 0%
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07-26-2012, 03:52 PM
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That was a iphone auto correct for "trade" value. How did you actually think I meant "grave" value?

And his trade value will be low until he actually plays in the NHL
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who am i to judge the way you utilize English. it's not inconceivable that you were implying his trade value is so low that a dire situation has arisen. i can only respond to what has been posted.

why have you cast his trade value in stone? you don't know that his trade value is 1) low right now or 2) will remain low until he reaches the NHL. he's going to be playing on the top-pairing of a very good WHL team with next year's likely #1 or #2 overall pick (Seth Jones). lots of people will be watching him next year: if anything there's a good chance his trade value surpasses the average value of a player picked in the first-round (assuming his play warrants it).

we can't change the pick. might as well try to find the positives instead of taking every opportunity to disparage a teenager.

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07-26-2012, 04:12 PM
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How is Dumoulin ahead of Pouliot?

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How is Dumoulin ahead of Pouliot?
he doesn't have a higher ceiling but hes apparently close to NHL ready and he hasn't even played in the AHL yet. Pouliot is atleast 3 years away(most likely), if Pouliot has an awesome year, he'll be a lot higher next year

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How is Dumoulin ahead of Pouliot?
IMO, we'll find out at camp. That said they're completely different types of D so can't really compare them. But they will both fill a void if they make the team in the next few years.

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07-26-2012, 05:03 PM
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How is Dumoulin ahead of Pouliot?
Because right now he's the better defenseman and is closer to the NHL?

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And his trade value will be low until he actually plays in the NHL
Exactly, just like most prospects. You can add them to trades to enhance the overall value, but more often than not, trades aren't centered around one prospect.

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who am i to judge the way you utilize English. it's not inconceivable that you were implying his trade value is so low that a dire situation has arisen. i can only respond to what has been posted.

why have you cast his trade value in stone? you don't know that his trade value is 1) low right now or 2) will remain low until he reaches the NHL. he's going to be playing on the top-pairing of a very good WHL team with next year's likely #1 or #2 overall pick (Seth Jones). lots of people will be watching him next year: if anything there's a good chance his trade value surpasses the average value of a player picked in the first-round (assuming his play warrants it).

we can't change the pick. might as well try to find the positives instead of taking every opportunity to disparage a teenager.
Just reading the context of the sentence it's pretty clear what I meant.

And his trade value will be relatively low until he proves that he's an NHL player. That's just how the world works.

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I think DP has won, no?

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Just reading the context of the sentence it's pretty clear what I meant.

And his trade value will be relatively low until he proves that he's an NHL player. That's just how the world works.
You might have had more of a point if this summer a team like the Red Wings hadn't basically offered a roster spot to an unsigned draft pick only to lose his services to a different team in a high-profile (yet capped) bidding war. You don't think those teams chasing Schultz wouldn't have ponied up to acquire him in a trade if he didn't have the NCAA loophole?

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You might have had more of a point if this summer a team like the Red Wings hadn't basically offered a roster spot to an unsigned draft pick only to lose his services to a different team in a high-profile (yet capped) bidding war. You don't think those teams chasing Schultz wouldn't have ponied up to acquire him in a trade if he didn't have the NCAA loophole?
Schultz is 22 and had a great career in college to go on top being a free agent, meaning those teams didn't have to give up a thing for him. Not only that but they were guaranteed to get him on a ELC.

Getting a player like that for free has great appeal. However, I highly doubt that any team would have traded a Neal type player for him.

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You never want to have the lead in these polls, haha. Never fails the last 15-20 votes that come in are for the guy with the 2nd most votes, lol.

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I think DP has won, no?
I'd say so.

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This **** is OVAH!

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he doesn't have a higher ceiling but hes apparently close to NHL ready and he hasn't even played in the AHL yet. Pouliot is atleast 3 years away(most likely), if Pouliot has an awesome year, he'll be a lot higher next year
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IMO, we'll find out at camp. That said they're completely different types of D so can't really compare them. But they will both fill a void if they make the team in the next few years.
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Because right now he's the better defenseman and is closer to the NHL?
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I just thought that Pouliot would be higher because he has a much higher ceiling.

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I think some people value NHL readiness a little too much. Pouliot should of be inhead of Dumoulin IMO.

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Let's give Burgs a break, I'm sure he's not refreshing Hfboards every 15 minutes to see if a prospect has run away with a poll. It'll be called when it's called.

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I just thought that Pouliot would be higher because he has a much higher ceiling.
Well, Morrow was voted #5 last year as well. I think we might see a similar ascension for Pouliot soon enough.

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Dumoulin is higher because A. he's had a stellar college career for one of the best programs in the nation, and B. he's damn near NHL ready, and Pouliot is probably a good 3 years away, if not more.

Aside from his draft position, I don't know why Pouliot would be ranked above anyone of our other highly regarded prospects. He's got a long way to go, in my opinion.

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I think some people value NHL readiness a little too much. Pouliot should of be inhead of Dumoulin IMO.
He's done nothing yet though. Maybe he can move up next season if he proves himself.

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He's done nothing yet though. Maybe he can move up next season if he proves himself.
fourth in WHL scoring for d-men. tied for first (with Morrow) in playoff scoring. i'm not ready to pin some medals on his chest, but that's more than nothing.

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It really didn't take until training camp last year for everyone to absolutely fall in love with Morrow.

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fourth in WHL scoring for d-men. tied for first (with Morrow) in playoff scoring. i'm not ready to pin some medals on his chest, but that's more than nothing.
There is more to playing defense than racking up points. If he can get better in his own zone then I'll vote for him in the top 3, but not until then.

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I just thought that Pouliot would be higher because he has a much higher ceiling.
He has a higher offensive ceiling. Dumoulin has the goods in terms of being a legit shut-down type player (slotting as a second pairing guy eventually) that Pouliot will never be. Like comparing Goligoski to Orpik, style-wise. Only in this case a more mobile and less likely to chase hits Orpik, and a more talented and physical Goligoski.

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There is more to playing defense than racking up points. If he can get better in his own zone then I'll vote for him in the top 3, but not until then.
#offseasonsnark answer: thanks for the words of wisdom. i'll make sure to keep Eric "hot" Karlsson off my Norris ballot next year. you did say "he's done nothing yet," which is a far cry from "i want to see him get better in his own zone."

non-#offseasonsnark answer: fair enough.

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Nothing happening here since last night - calling this one for Pouliot.

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