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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Bobby Hunting [All Bobby Ryan Discussion | Part VI]

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07-26-2012, 06:47 PM
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From Ottawa
Kyle Turris
Jared Cowen
1st 2013
Zibanejad

From ANA
Bobby Ryan
Tony Lydman

Fair or not, if not who needs to add?
Overpayment by Ottawa.

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07-26-2012, 06:50 PM
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Ottawa would never do that in a million years.
Yet they would give

Lehner
Foligno
Zibanejad
1st

for

Nash

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07-26-2012, 06:54 PM
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Yet they would give

Lehner
Foligno
Zibanejad
1st

for

Nash
Don't think there was a 1st involved. Plus, Murray values Cowen and Turris way more than Foligno.

I'm reluctant to give up our 2013 1st as well. It's possible we catch the injury bug this year and end up with a top 5 pick.


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07-26-2012, 06:59 PM
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Foligno
Zibanejad
1st

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Nash
The Sens would have traded that package for Bobby Ryan too. They're not the same packages.

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07-26-2012, 07:04 PM
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Ducks:

- Patrik Berglund
- David Perron

Blues:

- Bobby Ryan
- Matt Beleskey

Ducks' Top9:

LW:
Perron
DSP
Cogs

C:
Getzlaf
Berglund
Koivu

RW:
Perry
Selanne
Palmieri

Blues' Top9:

LW:
Oshie
D'Agostini
Beleskey

C:
Backes
McDonald
Steen

RW:
Ryan
Stewart
Tarasenko(?)/Langenbrunner

Thoughts ?

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07-26-2012, 07:38 PM
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That Blues deal is something towards what were lOoking for. A #2 center and another top 6 guys. Better than most IMO.

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Ducks:

- Patrik Berglund
- David Perron

Blues:

- Bobby Ryan
- Matt Beleskey

Ducks' Top9:

LW:
Perron
DSP
Cogs

C:
Getzlaf
Berglund
Koivu

RW:
Perry
Selanne
Palmieri

Blues' Top9:

LW:
Oshie
D'Agostini
Beleskey

C:
Backes
McDonald
Steen

RW:
Ryan
Stewart
Tarasenko(?)/Langenbrunner

Thoughts ?
As a Blues fan I don't like it. Not because Bobby Ryan isn't a fantastic player, but because it opens up a huge hole a center. McDonald can play center, but he's too much of an injury risk to assume he'll play the full season as our second line center. Right now Berglund is the only guy we have capable of playing on the second line. I can't see him being traded without having a replacement lined up. And I'm very hesitant to give up Perron.

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07-26-2012, 08:10 PM
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Ducks:

- Patrik Berglund
- David Perron

Blues:

- Bobby Ryan
- Matt Beleskey
Finally a decent deal, I can see the Blues concerned about 2nd line center, but if Andy can do stay healthy ??

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07-26-2012, 08:14 PM
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As a Blues fan I don't like it. Not because Bobby Ryan isn't a fantastic player, but because it opens up a huge hole a center. McDonald can play center, but he's too much of an injury risk to assume he'll play the full season as our second line center. Right now Berglund is the only guy we have capable of playing on the second line. I can't see him being traded without having a replacement lined up. And I'm very hesitant to give up Perron.
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Finally a decent deal, I can see the Blues concerned about 2nd line center, but if Andy can do stay healthy ??
I'm not sure who plays where on the Blues, as different sites have their player positions all over the place, but if McDonald did go down, could Steen not handle the role? He seems like a fairly complete player who wouldn't be a liability for an injury fill-in...

Or, I may be wrong, but Oshie can play some center can't he (though that would probably disrupt your top line)? Or it *could* give Schwartz a trial-by-fire and see what he can do thrust into the role temporarily?

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I'm not sure who plays where on the Blues, as different sites have their player positions all over the place, but if McDonald did go down, could Steen not handle the role? He seems like a fairly complete player who wouldn't be a liability for an injury fill-in...

Or, I may be wrong, but Oshie can play some center can't he (though that would probably disrupt your top line)? Or it *could* give Schwartz a trial-by-fire and see what he can do thrust into the role temporarily?
Both Steen and Oshie have played wing for the Blues for nearly the entire time each player has been with the team. And both have played much more effectively on the wing. It's not that Steen couldn't handle it, as much as he has been a much more effective player on the wing. And Oshie has shown such fantastic chemistry and effictiveness paired with Backes that I can't see them being split up. As for Schwartz, I get the feel the team is set on him as McDonald's replacement on the left wing. And we can't forget Hitch's and Army's love of big center's down the middle. Personally I think both Perron and Berglund are going to have big years, and I'm not keen on trading them both for Ryan. Again it's not because I don't like him as a player. He's a top line talent for sure. It's just that as the team sits now I think Perron and Berglund combined are more valuable to us than Bobby Ryan on his own would be. Just my two cents though.

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07-26-2012, 08:57 PM
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Finally a decent deal, I can see the Blues concerned about 2nd line center, but if Andy can do stay healthy ??
I don't see that being fair, Ryan is worth more than Perron and Berglund

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07-26-2012, 09:03 PM
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I don't see that being fair, Ryan is worth more than Perron and Berglund
But it fills our needs, which is as important as value IMO. I would rather take that then alot of other value deals that include alot of picks/prospects.

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Bryan Little + Alex Burmistrov

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Bobby Ryan

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I don't see that being fair, Ryan is worth more than Perron and Berglund
That trade is actually very fair. And this is coming from a Blues fan who doesn't want to give up either Perron or Berglund. Perron this year is going to be a force now that he's had a full off season of training. And Berglund is a solid two-way second line center. This fills the Ducks needs. I can't see them turning this deal down if it were offered.

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One of the best proposals I've seen. Definitely helps out where we're hurting the most ~ top 6 forward and centre

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07-26-2012, 09:19 PM
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I can understand after the posts above, STL likely needs Berglund; I thought they had other C options but seems like those players are playing on the wing.

Oshie - Backes - Ryan would be quite a line though...and this even fits with the Ducks growing interest in collecting Swedes, heh

I don't think Ryan is worth more than those two players though; Perron is not very far away from Ryan's level IMO and Berg definitely makes up the difference. If someone doesn't do this deal, it's STL not ANA.

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Remove Beleskey and insert Cogliano

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To CGY

Ryan
Hunwick

To COL

Tanguay
Bouwmeester
CGY 2nd rounder
ANA 2nd rounder

To ANA

Stastny
McGinn

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To CGY

Ryan
Hunwick

To COL

Tanguay
Bouwmeester
CGY 2nd rounder
ANA 2nd rounder

To ANA

Stastny
McGinn
Actually a pretty good proposal. I like it from a Ducks fan point of view, and it seems fair for the others, too.

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Remove Beleskey and insert Cogliano
No problem there from ANA point of view.

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To CGY

Ryan
Hunwick

To COL

Tanguay
Bouwmeester
CGY 2nd rounder
ANA 2nd rounder

To ANA

Stastny
McGinn
Too much salary heading to the Ducks.

I don't think Colorado would pass up getting Ryan if they're giving up Stastny+.

Edit: We don't have a 2nd.

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To CGY

Ryan
Hunwick

To COL

Tanguay
Bouwmeester
CGY 2nd rounder
ANA 2nd rounder

To ANA

Stastny
McGinn
Calgary probably wants a different piece than Hunwick IMO, like one of COL's near-ready D prospects. I don't know if they'd move Tanguay who they signed long-term, though.

Colorado, would probably do this IMO. They might prefer McGinn over Tanguay because he played great after acquired from SJ and is younger and cheaper (COL fans?)

Anaheim would say Yes. The extra few million salary might be an issue, though, as we don't know what the internal budget is at. If so, they'd likely have to move Lydman, who I'd rather hold on to as I see him having a bounce back year from injury.

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Ducks:

- Patrik Berglund
- David Perron

Blues:

- Bobby Ryan
- Matt Beleskey

Ducks' Top9:

LW:
Perron
DSP
Cogs

C:
Getzlaf
Berglund
Koivu

RW:
Perry
Selanne
Palmieri

Blues' Top9:

LW:
Oshie
D'Agostini
Beleskey

C:
Backes
McDonald
Steen

RW:
Ryan
Stewart
Tarasenko(?)/Langenbrunner

Thoughts ?
Doubt the Blues would do that.

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Ok. I find it baffling that some (Ducks) posters don't understand that no one is going to gut their organization and leave themselves obviously worse-off to acquire Ryan.

What does "overpayment" mean, anyway. More than he's actually worth? Ok, but what's his actual value?
His actual value is clearly subjective. I look at it this way, if an opposing teams' fan base says they wouldn't make the trade, then that is an overpayment. Yes, it is simplistic, and yes the opposing team will get the best player in the deal, but without actually putting actual players in a deal was the best I could come up with .

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Actually a pretty good proposal. I like it from a Ducks fan point of view, and it seems fair for the others, too.
That's terrible for Anaheim. Statsny won't be center piece for Ryan. Avs fans keep trying to do that but it won't happen. Duchene or GTFO.

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That's terrible for Anaheim. Statsny won't be center piece for Ryan. Avs fans keep trying to do that but it won't happen. Duchene or GTFO.
This idea is utterly daft. A one-two punch of Getzlaf and Stastny would be fantastic. It's far, very far, from terrible. I'm not saying it's ideal... I'd rather keep Ryan who is under contract for longer.

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