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07-26-2012, 07:04 PM
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hmmm 2 things

would SJ consider Marleau for Stafford + Leopold?

would we get Fehr for a reasonable contract, i liked his playing style with the caps & he is a 27 year old unrestricted FA.....




FORWARDS
Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.667m) / Thomas Vanek ($7.143m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Tyler Ennis ($3.700m) / Eric Fehr ($3.800m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.450m) / Zemgus Girgensons ($1.625m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.403m)
John Scott ($0.600m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Corey Tropp ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m)
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Mike Weber ($0.950m)
T.J. Brennan ($0.550m) / Brayden McNabb ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m)
Jhonas Enroth ($0.675m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,157,273; BONUSES: $1,945,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $42,727
I could possibly be talked into Eric Fehr but certainly not at 3.8M

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07-26-2012, 07:05 PM
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hmmm 2 things

would SJ consider Marleau for Stafford + Leopold?

would we get Fehr for a reasonable contract, i liked his playing style with the caps & he is a 27 year old unrestricted FA.....




FORWARDS
Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.667m) / Thomas Vanek ($7.143m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Tyler Ennis ($3.700m) / Eric Fehr ($3.800m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.450m) / Zemgus Girgensons ($1.625m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.403m)
John Scott ($0.600m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Corey Tropp ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m)
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Mike Weber ($0.950m)
T.J. Brennan ($0.550m) / Brayden McNabb ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m)
Jhonas Enroth ($0.675m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,157,273; BONUSES: $1,945,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $42,727
The guy scored 2 goals and had 1 assist last year in 35 games and you want to give him 3.8 million? He had 10 and 10 in 50 the year before.

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07-26-2012, 07:08 PM
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no. actually i wouldn't..... more to show that we would have the space to add salary...


but still, it's way too much.....


still think he would be a nice option in a situation where we need a 3rd line RW

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07-26-2012, 07:19 PM
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I'd give him a tryout, nothing more. Too long a concussion history.

I don't care about Marleau, either. When we still had Roy, a cap deal that gave the Sharks some maneuverability for Nash around the two players was sort of intriguing, and my pick for the likely "left field" deal of the summer, but I don't see anybody on the current roster who I'd be happy as a realistic centerpiece there. On paper, Marleau would add a lot of things to the lineup that we need (size, defensive play, speed, vet presence) but on the ice, those things haven't happened with enough consistency to pay the guy 6.9 and freeze the roster for the next three years.

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07-26-2012, 07:42 PM
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would SJ consider Marleau for Stafford + Leopold?

FORWARDS
Ville Leino ($4.500m) / Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Steve Ott ($2.950m) / Cody Hodgson ($1.667m) / Thomas Vanek ($7.143m)
Marcus Foligno ($0.900m) / Tyler Ennis ($3.700m) / Eric Fehr ($3.800m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.450m) / Zemgus Girgensons ($1.625m) / Patrick Kaleta ($1.403m)
John Scott ($0.600m) / Cody McCormick ($1.200m) / Corey Tropp ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Tyler Myers ($5.500m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.750m)
Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Alexander Sulzer ($0.725m)
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Mike Weber ($0.950m)
T.J. Brennan ($0.550m) / Brayden McNabb ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m)
Jhonas Enroth ($0.675m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,157,273; BONUSES: $1,945,000
CAP SPACE (25-man roster): $42,727 [/SIZE]
Obviously, Pavelski would be my first choice off the Sharks roster but, failing that, if Marleau were available without having to give up any of the younger assets, I'd be reasonably comfortable with him as a 2-year stopgap while the two G's mature and Ennis/Hodgson get more experience. Marleau certainly would bring a healthy dose of speed, something the Sabres have gradually lost in recent years, and another offensive producer.

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San Jose might consider it, but Marleau with his no movement clause will not.
Maybe - maybe not. Don't forget that both Grier and Rivet (former teammates of Marleau's) were initially skeptical of the city but grew to love it. And, while Marleau may be happy in the Bay area, I wonder how much more of the blame he wants to keep taking from Sharks fans on top of past years. He has to see the writing on the wall that the San Jose veteran core of he, Thornton and Boyle have at best only 2 more years of shelf life before Wilson pulls the plug and does an overhaul of their roster.

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07-26-2012, 07:59 PM
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Assuming Marleau would waive his NMC to come to Buffalo (which isn't a given, but not out of the realm of possibility either, after all Pegula could fly out to meet him like with Regehr)...would anyone do a swap of Vanek for Marleau? Both have 2 years left on their deals, we'd save about 200K.

(lines in no specific order)
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Marleau-Pominville
Ott-Hodgson-Tropp/Adam/G-men (switch winger sides if desired)

(I'm not really sure I like that third line, maybe stick the open spot next to Marleau and put Pommer next to Hodgson?)

Marleau isn't overly physical (about a hit per game), but adds another PK forward, a ~52% faceoff guy, and shakes up the core (for both SJ and us).

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At this point i'd rather keep vanek than trade him for marleau

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At this point i'd rather keep vanek than trade him for marleau
Agreed

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Our LW depth is **** without Vanek but I'd swap him for Marleau easily.

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07-26-2012, 09:26 PM
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Our LW depth is **** without Vanek but I'd swap him for Marleau easily.
It's not elite, but you do have Foligno/Leino/Ott/Adam, and can always move Marleau there is desired.

I think a Vanek for Marleau swap will be mixed reactions from both sides IMO.

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07-26-2012, 09:54 PM
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marleau for vanek?
classic change for the sake of change

eh... sure why not

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Wouldnt touch vanek for marleau

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Our LW depth is **** without Vanek but I'd swap him for Marleau easily.
Cue the Lloyd Xmas mouth vomiting gif. I wouldn't let marleau lace Vaneks skates let alone fill them

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Not sure if this is the right thread but any word on a alternate jersey to replace the 40th anniversary one

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Not sure if this is the right thread but any word on a alternate jersey to replace the 40th anniversary one
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Cue the Lloyd Xmas mouth vomiting gif. I wouldn't let marleau lace Vaneks skates let alone fill them
Please explain, I'm assuming this has something to do with his playoff failures. Which I agree with somewhat, people have blasted him verbally and he does seem to play worse come playoff time, it's not like Vanek is any better though. Marleau has massive playoff experience, plays a center position so we don't need to rush anyone, can PK and play a defensive role, puts up more points, is bigger, faster and stronger than Vanek, but of course you don't want him because LET ME GUESS HE'S NOT PHYSICAL LIKE KASSIAN???

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You own a 2012 black SS Camaro, and you trade it in for a 1998 Aston Martin w/ 120,000 miles ... Hey change for change sake.

You own a perfect 1969 GTO Judge, you trade it in for a 2009 Audi R8 with w/ 80,000 miles ... Hey change for change sake.


Point is that there is good change and stupid change. ALL change under ALL circumstances is not always a good idea. Getting rid of Roy was fine, but we did go down in "potential" points from the forwards this coming season. In other words Ott probably won't put up 55-65 points like Roy usually did.
To then trade away Vanek for someone who usually puts up less points, puts the team further down in "potential" points. Does anyone else see that?

Change for change sake at any cost shouldn't always be done in all situations. I'm all for trading any player ... Yes, any player if it's going to make the Sabres win more games. But at some point you can't keep trading 50-60 point guys, for 40-50 point guys. Eventually, offensive production will suffer and make winning even harder. Even if you have a "tougher" team.

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Cue the Lloyd Xmas mouth vomiting gif. I wouldn't let marleau lace Vaneks skates let alone fill them
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Wouldnt touch vanek for marleau
why... whats the difference between the two?

the only differences i notice are Marleau is bigger, stronger, faster, healthier and has a few more years of failure on his resume then vanek does.

i dont even like marleau... i dont see much difference between marleau and vanek...

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You own a 2012 black SS Camaro, and you trade it in for a 1998 Aston Martin w/ 120,000 miles ... Hey change for change sake.

You own a perfect 1969 GTO Judge, you trade it in for a 2009 Audi R8 with w/ 80,000 miles ... Hey change for change sake.


Point is that there is good change and stupid change. ALL change under ALL circumstances is not always a good idea. Getting rid of Roy was fine, but we did go down in "potential" points from the forwards this coming season. In other words Ott probably won't put up 55-65 points like Roy usually did.
To then trade away Vanek for someone who usually puts up less points, puts the team further down in "potential" points. Does anyone else see that?

Change for change sake at any cost shouldn't always be done in all situations. I'm all for trading any player ... Yes, any player if it's going to make the Sabres win more games. But at some point you can't keep trading 50-60 point guys, for 40-50 point guys. Eventually, offensive production will suffer and make winning even harder. Even if you have a "tougher" team.
was that supposed to be a comparison to marleau?

if so the analogy is terrible

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was that supposed to be a comparison to marleau?

if so the analogy is terrible
Nope ... Just in general terms

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You own a 2012 black SS Camaro, and you trade it in for a 1998 Aston Martin w/ 120,000 miles ... Hey change for change sake.

You own a perfect 1969 GTO Judge, you trade it in for a 2009 Audi R8 with w/ 80,000 miles ... Hey change for change sake.


Point is that there is good change and stupid change. ALL change under ALL circumstances is not always a good idea. Getting rid of Roy was fine, but we did go down in "potential" points from the forwards this coming season. In other words Ott probably won't put up 55-65 points like Roy usually did.
To then trade away Vanek for someone who usually puts up less points, puts the team further down in "potential" points. Does anyone else see that?

Change for change sake at any cost shouldn't always be done in all situations. I'm all for trading any player ... Yes, any player if it's going to make the Sabres win more games. But at some point you can't keep trading 50-60 point guys, for 40-50 point guys. Eventually, offensive production will suffer and make winning even harder. Even if you have a "tougher" team.
If you're talking about Marleau for Vanek, Marleau consistently puts up more points than Vanek, and does everything else better than him except goal scoring(which is arguable as Marleau has had 4 straight 30 goal seasons).

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why... whats the difference between the two?

the only differences i notice are Marleau is bigger, stronger, faster, healthier and has a few more years of failure on his resume then vanek does.

i dont even like marleau... i dont see much difference between marleau and vanek...
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why... whats the difference between the two?

the only differences i notice are Marleau is bigger, stronger, faster, healthier and has a few more years of failure on his resume then vanek does.

i dont even like marleau... i dont see much difference between marleau and vanek...
You're forgetting the most important difference IMO.

Marleau can play center. And he can play against top competition. You get Marleau, and it becomes infinitely easier to get Ennis those matchups to feast on. Marleau, Hodgson, Ennis as the three centers...one would think you'd be a fan of that idea.

Sure, it's a lateral move in terms of talent...but it really solidifies our center position. Looking long term, you can move him to wing if one of the G-men steps up, or you don't sign him when his contract is up (same time as Vanek's would have ended anyways).

Is Marleau the most desired player? No. Of course I'd want Pavelski more. But it might be easier to get a guy like Marleau.

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You're forgetting the most important difference IMO.

Marleau can play center. And he can play against top competition. You get Marleau, and it becomes infinitely easier to get Ennis those matchups to feast on. Marleau, Hodgson, Ennis as the three centers...one would think you'd be a fan of that idea.

Sure, it's a lateral move in terms of talent...but it really solidifies our center position. Looking long term, you can move him to wing if one of the G-men steps up, or you don't sign him when his contract is up (same time as Vanek's would have ended anyways).

Is Marleau the most desired player? No. Of course I'd want Pavelski more. But it might be easier to get a guy like Marleau.
Not sure Coho would like to be a third-line centre again! (Sorry, as a Canucks fan too, I couldn't resist)

In my inexperienced opinion, I think we should just wait it out for our centres to develop instead of getting a stop gap that's not really a stop gap.

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In my inexperienced opinion, I think we should just wait it out for our centres to develop instead of getting a stop gap that's not really a stop gap.
Indeed. If that means one more year of no playoffs, it's the bitter pill that will cure the disease.

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