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Shane Doan at $30M for 4 years

View Poll Results: Shane Doan at $30M for 4 years
Worth it... He's priceless 28 21.71%
Stupidly massive overpayment 101 78.29%
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07-23-2012, 11:34 PM
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Is it reasonable to assume now that NYR are not pursuing Doan anymore
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not really considering they still have ~$13m in capspace (with only MDZ to re-sign)
The addition of Nash to an already talented squad that made the ECF this year will certainly help appeal to Doan if signing with a Cup contender is a goal of his.

Let the Rangers sign Doan and the Flyers get Weber - and hope that the Penguins take a gamble on signing Semin. That makes for less competition for Ryan.

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Four years is way too much for that kind of an overpayment.

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The addition of Nash to an already talented squad that made the ECF this year will certainly help appeal to Doan if signing with a Cup contender is a goal of his.

Let the Rangers sign Doan and the Flyers get Weber - and hope that the Penguins take a gamble on signing Semin. That makes for less competition for Ryan.
Nice logic trail. I can dig it

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07-24-2012, 12:32 AM
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Nice logic trail. I can dig it
I'll take it a step further: if one assumes that Doan was Plan A for Regier and that Plan B for Ryan ends up failing because the Ducks insist on a 2nd line center that the Sabres don't have to offer, leading them to deal Ryan to Boston for Krejci, the dominoes could still fall into a decent Plan C: the Sharks, eager to add wingers with size and scoring ability and having failed to land Nash, Doan or Ryan, end up then being willing to deal Pavelski for a lesser marquee winger with size like Stafford.

All it takes is some creative thinking and a lot of luck....

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I'll take it a step further: if one assumes that Doan was Plan A for Regier and that Plan B for Ryan ends up failing because the Ducks insist on a 2nd line center that the Sabres don't have to offer, leading them to deal Ryan to Boston for Krejci, the dominoes could still fall into a decent Plan C: the Sharks, eager to add wingers with size and scoring ability and having failed to land Nash, Doan or Ryan, end up then being willing to deal Pavelski for a lesser marquee winger with size like Stafford.

All it takes is some creative thinking and a lot of luck....
love it.

But I don't think a core of Stafford/Pavelski in a trade is a poor starting point at all.

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If it's something about 2-3 years for 6.5 I'd possibly pull the trigger
But my stomach would hurt payng him that much the next 3 years.

If he wants a 4 year deal, everything above 5.5 is massive, stupid overpayment, imo.

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07-24-2012, 01:50 AM
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If he wants a 4 year deal, everything above 5.5 is massive, stupid overpayment, imo.
I have a feeling that the rumored 4-year, $30M offer came from Montreal, who Doan has already rejected.

I can see the Sabres offering Doan long-term security with the hopes that, even as his skills diminish, the investment would be worth it in terms of surrounding their young and upcoming core with quality leadership as a mentor and role model. Regier often spoke about how Drury set the example and taught a lot to the younger guys.

$6.5M / $6M / $4.5M / $3.0M = $5M cap hit, which seems reasonable for what Doan will return.

Beyond that, the financial commitment wouldn't justify the anticipated benefits IMO.

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Do the Rangers have space/cap room for Doan? Seems their window has just opened and they want to push this one through. Thinking the Nash trade yesterday made a bit of room for that.

capgeek says $13M available in cap space...not sure how updated that is though.

edit: nvm, it is updated

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Do the Rangers have space/cap room for Doan? Seems their window has just opened and they want to push this one through. Thinking the Nash trade yesterday made a bit of room for that.

capgeek says $13M available in cap space...not sure how updated that is though.

edit: nvm, it is updated
They have that space, however they also have quite a few RFA's at the end of the year that will require substantial raises.

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I'll take it a step further: if one assumes that Doan was Plan A for Regier and that Plan B for Ryan ends up failing because the Ducks insist on a 2nd line center that the Sabres don't have to offer, leading them to deal Ryan to Boston for Krejci, the dominoes could still fall into a decent Plan C: the Sharks, eager to add wingers with size and scoring ability and having failed to land Nash, Doan or Ryan, end up then being willing to deal Pavelski for a lesser marquee winger with size like Stafford.

All it takes is some creative thinking and a lot of luck....
Word here is that Boston has no interest in Ryan.

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I'll take it a step further: if one assumes that Doan was Plan A for Regier and that Plan B for Ryan ends up failing because the Ducks insist on a 2nd line center that the Sabres don't have to offer, leading them to deal Ryan to Boston for Krejci, the dominoes could still fall into a decent Plan C: the Sharks, eager to add wingers with size and scoring ability and having failed to land Nash, Doan or Ryan, end up then being willing to deal Pavelski for a lesser marquee winger with size like Stafford.

All it takes is some creative thinking and a lot of luck....
I like that....

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I have a feeling that the rumored 4-year, $30M offer came from Montreal, who Doan has already rejected.
News today on TSN that Doan is expected to visit Montreal this week really baffles me - apparently, those reports that he turned down the Canadiens previously were either bogus altogether or he had a change of heart.

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Word here is that Boston has no interest in Ryan.
Is it a case that they're not interested in Ryan or more of a case that they're not interested in giving up Krejci or Seguin to get him?

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With Nash deal official, Sabres jumping back in the chase for Ryan PLUS MORE NEWS. Also it states that :

In a bit of news that will make some Sabres fans happy, the Sabres are indeed expected to meet with free agent Shane Doan sometime within the next week to try and convince him to join Buffalo. It’s unclear if Buffalo will put on the full court press for the Phoenix captain, but it is expected that they will do what that can, that’s reasonable, to try and land the 17-year NHL veteran. That is unless he signs a contract before he is supposed to meet with the team.

I'm liking this a lot I hope Buffalo gets one of Ryan or Doan.

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http://sabrenoise.com/2012/07/24/how...nt-shane-doan/

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There are a lot of specifics in those two articles that I haven't seen reported anywhere else.

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There are a lot of specifics in those two articles that I haven't seen reported anywhere else.
That's the fun part about making stuff up.

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There are a lot of specifics in those two articles that I haven't seen reported anywhere else.
They're not legitimate news sources. The one guy is just assuming that Doan will be visiting Buffalo before or after he visits the Penguins. I could've done that, too. Then, if Doan does visit, he'll claim he was correct, and that will embolden him to make more educated guesses and call them facts.

This practice of nobodies pretending they're insiders doesn't seem to happen in other sports--or at least not nearly as much. What is it about hockey that makes people do that?

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Because there are three actual insiders and no 24/7 coverage (Mario updates were happening every five minutes on ESPN when he was in Buffalo). That, and dispersion usually makes hockey fans more dependent on the internet than most (I don't think there's a HF for other sports).

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Aaron Ward reports that Shane Doan‘s asking price is “too high” for the Detroit Red Wings.

(Perhaps those reports about an Eastern Conference team offering him a four-year deal in excess of $30 million might be accurate – or close enough – then?)

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So it went from Doan wanting a cup to Doan wanting money, which I figured it would.

If Money is what Doan wants then we are back in the race. I just dont see any of the big cup contenders stepping up with 4 or 5 year deals.

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He might also want both. The Wings aren't exactly a lock to win it next year.

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