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2012 Minnesota #5 Prospect

View Poll Results: Who is the #5 Minnesota Wild Prospect?
Brett Bulmer 7 5.98%
Raphael Bussieres 0 0%
Tyler Cuma 0 0%
John Draeger 0 0%
Adam Gilmour 0 0%
Johan Gustafsson 1 0.85%
Matt Hackett 10 8.55%
Erik Haula 0 0%
Steven Kampfer 0 0%
Darcy Kuemper 0 0%
Johan Larsson 59 50.43%
Mario Lucia 1 0.85%
Zack Phillips 6 5.13%
Jason Zucker 33 28.21%
Other (please explain) 0 0%
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07-26-2012, 08:01 PM
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I'd much rather repeat myself than use a phrase that sounds so... uneducated.

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I'd much rather repeat myself than use a phrase that sounds so... uneducated.
Hey now....I resemble that remark.

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Of course you do!

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I see what you did there.

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Talking to yourself again I see.

As for the scrimmages, allegedly he was better in the Sunday scrimmage (which I didn't get to meaningfully watch) but I'll let GS make the point for me:



Coyle played very poorly in the scrimmage. But yet you've laid blame for that (in your post) firmly at the feet of the player you're voting for now. Let's use logic for half a second here (although the lack of logic on WMB was clearly a symptom of your posting, not despite it).
That was Thursday. To be fair, I also wrote this about Colye during Sunday's scrimmage...

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Charlie Coyle - On Thursday, I came away unimpressed with Coyle despite the 28th overall pick in 2010 scoring a goal and assisting on another. That wasn't the case Sunday. Charlie had his moments in the second scrimmage and what really impressed me was the improvement from the things I thought he struggled with on Thursday. Coyle and linemate Johan Larsson played better together (he set up Larsson on his goal), he used his size to throw his weight around and best of all when Charlie was on the ice everyone knew it. There was a moment where Coyle called off Raphael Bussieres for a puck in the corner and took it himself via checking the D off of it. It won't show up on the score sheet but those are the kind of things which I like to see from Charlie Coyle.
...but like everything, it's a pair of scrimmages. They are a small exhibition sample of work in the large competitive canvas.

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07-26-2012, 11:48 PM
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Between Hackett and Zucker for me. I think I'll go with the safe bet of Hackett for now though. I'd like to see what Zucker can do with a (potentially) full season in the AHL. With a possible lockout incoming, we could see him paired up with Granlund again as Houston's top line and those two really seemed to gel in the two prospect scrimmages.

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07-27-2012, 12:04 AM
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I think the next poll could be a real battle between Zucker and Hackett.

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Like I said earlier, I'm just voting Hackett until he is off the ballot.

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07-27-2012, 02:10 AM
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Don't confuse VALUE with IMPORTANCE.

Value - something that is hard to come by in other ways carries more value.
Importance - you need performance at said position to do well as a team.

Goaltending has importance, but no value.

The gap between the elite goaltenders and decent goaltenders is a LOT smaller than it used to be... and decent goaltending can be found in so many different ways these days, dropping the overall value of the position as a whole.

High quality skaters at both forward and defense carry FAR more value as a result.
I agree with most of that except for the "easy" part. If it were that common or easy to find elite goalies how come every team doesn't have one? As it is, the elite goalies are Lundqvist, Brodeur (used to be), Quick, Rinne, Miller, Ward, Fleury (wavering on that one though), Thomas (for a few years there). So granted there are more "good" goalies, but in terms of the true elite who can steal games and series for ya, that list is and goalie is still harder to come by.

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07-27-2012, 02:32 AM
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I agree with most of that except for the "easy" part. If it were that common or easy to find elite goalies how come every team doesn't have one? As it is, the elite goalies are Lundqvist, Brodeur (used to be), Quick, Rinne, Miller, Ward, Fleury (wavering on that one though), Thomas (for a few years there). So granted there are more "good" goalies, but in terms of the true elite who can steal games and series for ya, that list is and goalie is still harder to come by.
Decent =/= elite. I never said it was easy to find elite goalies, just decent goalies.

I don't see Hackett as being elite either. I think he could be above average though.

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Goalie is by far the toughest position for me to rank as I have very little personal experience witnessing elite goalie prospects. MN high school and college goalies (the prospects I have by far seen the most of in my life) have never translated to the NHL and as that's the one position I never played myself I struggle to rank them and I really struggle to put them up against players at the forward or defensive position. I could have seen Hackett going anywhere from 3-15 for all I can tell so I know so my votes will be going for players I have seen enough of to form an opinion.

Good thing the Wild fan population on here has grown throughout the past few years so we can get a good sample size polling of people who have seen these players enough to provide good input. I know that I wish I could see more of our prospects consistently but its always nice to hear tidbits from those who have and finally get some more accurate rankings on this site.

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I was just thinking about the next round - my thought is the Larsson vote splits between Bulmer and Hackett for the most part, with some going to Zucker, too. The Zucker fans will stay faithful, so that'll put Zucker on top.

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I am surprised Darcy Kuemper isn't getting any love as of this point. As a goaltender who was All-World in the WHL a few years ago, and a goalie who (debatably) performed better than Hackett in Houston (92.3 vs. 91.7 save %), I just wanted to bring him up. Personally, I like Larsson and Bulmer (and maybe Hackett) better than him. Just in the purest sense of ranking "Prospects" and ranking the potential projection of a player versus their immediate value, I think he should come into play pretty soon.

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07-27-2012, 11:57 AM
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I am surprised Darcy Kuemper isn't getting any love as of this point. As a goaltender who was All-World in the WHL a few years ago, and a goalie who (debatably) performed better than Hackett in Houston (92.3 vs. 91.7 save %), I just wanted to bring him up. Personally, I like Larsson and Bulmer (and maybe Hackett) better than him. Just in the purest sense of ranking "Prospects" and ranking the potential projection of a player versus their immediate value, I think he should come into play pretty soon.
Having better stats != outperforming

While it's possible that Kuemper's better stats means he did better than Hackett, there's a number of reasons why we can't say one was better than the other. I mean, by that logic Joe Fallon was Houston's best goalie (2.05 0.928). But Kuemper only had 19 games to Hackett's 44 which is a small sample size. It's impossible to say at a high level whether the quality of competition was the same between the two. The quality of the team in front of them wasn't exactly consistent either. Hackett was the starter for that stretch where we had to sign Fredheim just to put a defenseman on the ice. There's just too many factors to use their stats in a meaningful way to say one is better than the other.

Kuemper could be the better goalie in the long run, but the organization clearly believe that Hackett is closer than Kuemper. Considering Hackett's NHL stint, I don't know how anyone could rank Kuemper ahead of him except based upon actual, specific play concerns (i.e. think Kuemper's rebound control is better, or his puckhandling, etc).

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Having better stats != outperforming

While it's possible that Kuemper's better stats means he did better than Hackett, there's a number of reasons why we can't say one was better than the other. I mean, by that logic Joe Fallon was Houston's best goalie (2.05 0.928). But Kuemper only had 19 games to Hackett's 44 which is a small sample size. It's impossible to say at a high level whether the quality of competition was the same between the two. The quality of the team in front of them wasn't exactly consistent either. Hackett was the starter for that stretch where we had to sign Fredheim just to put a defenseman on the ice. There's just too many factors to use their stats in a meaningful way to say one is better than the other.

Kuemper could be the better goalie in the long run, but the organization clearly believe that Hackett is closer than Kuemper. Considering Hackett's NHL stint, I don't know how anyone could rank Kuemper ahead of him except based upon actual, specific play concerns (i.e. think Kuemper's rebound control is better, or his puckhandling, etc).
I'll have to go with squidz here....
I mean, i haven't seen a lot for Kuemper but I like what I see, nevertheless Hackett is good too, maybe even better,,,,

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When does the new poll come out? I see the time this one closes.

I'm anxious to get my vote for Bulmer registered, before he's wiped out by the Zucker True Believers.

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When does the new poll come out? I see the time this one closes.

I'm anxious to get my vote for Bulmer registered, before he's wiped out by the Zucker True Believers.
I'm voting Hackett next.

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I too voted for Larsson!

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I'm voting Hackett next.
Same here.

He needs some love!

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I'm not comfortable ranking goalies in a prospect poll with skaters but I could see Hackett here.

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Same here.

He needs some love!
I voted for him before he got cool.

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Good one, hipster.

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Good one, hipster.
How dare you good sir! I am no hipster.

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saying good sir is very hipster.

or were you being ironic?

that's also hipster.

you=hipster.

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saying good sir is very hipster.

or were you being ironic?

that's also hipster.

you=hipster.

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