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Dion Phaneuf's next contract?

View Poll Results: Phaneuf's next contract
3 years @ 6.5M 54 42.86%
5 years @ 4.5M 45 35.71%
3 years @ 4M 7 5.56%
There will be no contract as he will not return tot he Leafs. 20 15.87%
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07-28-2012, 02:31 PM
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I think anything below $5M is ridiculous. Given the way he played, not just here but in Calgary as well, since earning the $6.5M-contract, I would peg him for a $5.5M deal.

However, last season, he played well into the shoes he was expected to fill originally, so I would be happy to see him in a $6.5M, 5-year contract. $7M/yr is the absolute top I could stomach, and that largely depends on his continued improvement as an all-around franchise defenceman.

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07-28-2012, 02:33 PM
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I do not care what another organization pays him....we will never win with him as our captain or as part of the team.....trade him now as his value is high.

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07-28-2012, 02:34 PM
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What would I pay Phaneuff?

As a number 2 dman,no "C"? $4.5 million + an extra 500k for bonuses.

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07-28-2012, 02:36 PM
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I do not care what another organization pays him....we will never win with him as our captain or as part of the team.....trade him now as his value is high.
You might be right.

For me, no way he gets 6.5M/year.

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6-6.5mil over 6-7 years.

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07-28-2012, 02:46 PM
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5.5 mil for next 4-5 years seems right for him.

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This is a pretty bad poll. Either he gets short term at the same rate, short/medium term at an absurdly low rate, or he's not back at all.

My guess is at least 5+ years at $6-6.5M per. He'll be 29 by the time his contract expires, so a five year contract would still only bring him to 34. And when you look at what guys like Timmonen, Boyle, Bouwmeester, Burns, Carle, Wisniewski, Wideman, etc. are making, $4-4.5M is way too low.

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I do not care what another organization pays him....we will never win with him as our captain or as part of the team.....trade him now as his value is high.
Agree. He is overpaid now and he will probably be looking to get similar kind of money even do he show little improvement in his overall game.

Best thing would be to trade him. BB will not do it but he should.

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Maybe you don't know that there will be a lineup of teams willing to commit a lot more than $13.5 million for Dion Phaneuf but I do.
The line was very short last time around....can not expected it to grow much.....as he simply has not changed.....likely worst as his head is way to big.

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Karlsson is also only 22. He will develop defensively.

His skill does not come around everyday.
Agreed, but defenceman like Phaneuf don't either. He has the tools to be a #1 defenceman (IMO he is, but that's a whole different argument).

You can't compare Dion to guys like Karlsson, Campbell(hideous contract), or Mike Green. Totally different players. Dion is an all-around defenceman, he's the triggerman on the number one PP unit, plays more PK time than any defenceman on our team, plays well over 20 mins a night(usually 25+) against the opponent's top guys, and not to mention has a very good physical game as well. Do any of those guys do all that? No. Karlsson has 0 defensive game, same with Green. Campbell is an acceptable defender given his offensive contributions, but Phaneuf is a lot better, not to mention Campbell doesn't have the physical game Dion does(yes I know, he clobbered Umberger blah blah that was how many years ago now?).

6-7M per, depending on the years.

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I give him 5 years 7M per easy.
anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded
Really....good luck signing quality free agents with Dion as the captain .....

If you want to perhaps win....then he has to go!

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The line was very short last time around....can not expected it to grow much.....as he simply has not changed.....likely worst as his head is way to big.
I don't understand much of this post but is this the "line" you were referring to?

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http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...88506-qmi.html

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dem tots
Just noticed that too

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6 mil? Do people have such strong prescription blue-and-white goggles?

Phaneuf as a number one defenseman is a bad joke.

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he will most likely get 5-8 years, at around 6-7 per, LOL at 4-4.5

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6 mil? Do people have such strong prescription blue-and-white goggles?

Phaneuf as a number one defenseman is a bad joke.
The joke is that Phaneuf has NO support. Constantly juggled mates, and no one can be relied on the PK as much as Phaneuf. When the next most reliable player is a 21 years old rookie, one can expect that Dion will be overworked.

Phaneuf is being criminally underrated by some in this thread.

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The joke is that Phaneuf has NO support. Constantly juggled mates, and no one can be relied on the PK as much as Phaneuf. When the next most reliable player is a 21 years old rookie, one can expect that Dion will be overworked.

Phaneuf is being criminally underrated by some in this thread.
Phaneuf's oeuvre as captain of the maples leafs speaks for itself. You can polish a turd...

And just how is it exactly 'underrating' when most people on here are looking to sign him to essentially the same contract, or up to as much as $7mil/year? That contract is one of the worst in the entire league. 7mil caphit would be half a million less than it took to sign Suter for THIRTEEN YEARS.


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Relative Corsi
Franson: 8.0
Phaneuf: 3.3
Gardiner: 2.6
Liles: 2.3
Gunnarsson: -0.9
Komisarek: -6.5
Schenn: -7.6

Relative Corsi Quality of Competition
Phaneuf: 1.399
Gunnarsson: 1.145
Komisarek: 0.046
Schenn: -0.154
Liles: -0.192
Gardiner: -0.328
Franson: -0.698

Relative Corsi Quality Of Teammates
Gunnarsson: 0.730
Komisarek: 0.682
Franson: 0.389
Schenn: 0.257
Liles: 0.212
Phaneuf: -0.043
Gardiner: -0.516

On-Ice Team Goals Against Per 60 Minutes
Komisarek: 3.18
Schenn: 3.18
Gardiner: 2.99
Liles: 2.84
Phaneuf: 2.80
Franson: 2.58
Gunnarsson: 2.48

loolool Phanoof sux @ d-fence

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2 years and a new CBA away from a need to extend him, and yet everyone complains UFA's always resign with their old team.

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Phaneuf's oeuvre as captain of the maples leafs speaks for itself. You can polish a turd...
Your forgetting that the leafs are currently in a rebuilding phase. Phaneuf doesn't have the insulation other great defenders have.

Weber had Suter, Blum,
Petriengelo had Shattenkirk, Jackman
Edler had Bieksa, Hamhuis

Phaneuf has no support of the level of numerous other number 1D

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Your forgetting that the leafs are currently in a rebuilding phase. Phaneuf doesn't have the insulation other great defenders have.

Weber had Suter, Blum,
Petriengelo had Shattenkirk, Jackman
Edler had Bieksa, Hamhuis

Phaneuf has no support of the level of numerous other number 1D
Have you ever noticed that Phaneuf's blunders are almost always entirely his own fault?

I sure have. Never seen a defenseman so good at giving the other team uncontested breakaways. Never seen a supposed number one so obviously braindead when it comes to positioning and reading plays. Never seen a captain spend so much time coasting several steps behind the play. Never seen a supposed elite offensive defenseman with so little ability to carry the puck.

If he goes on the market, the results will speak for themselves. Every GM in the league knows that the potential he showed at one time is never going to be reached.

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Phaneuf's oeuvre as captain of the maples leafs speaks for itself. You can polish a turd...

And just how is it exactly 'underrating' when most people on here are looking to sign him to essentially the same contract, or up to as much as $7mil/year? That contract is one of the worst in the entire league. 7mil caphit would be half a million less than it took to sign Suter for THIRTEEN YEARS.
One of the worst in the entire league?

Then you question how exactly it is underrating.

And Suter's cap hit would only be half a million more because he signed for thirteen years. He is making 34 million over the next three seasons (11.3M per year) and 94 million over the next decade (9.4M per year).

Somehow you overlooked that. Wonder why.

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Your forgetting that the leafs are currently in a rebuilding phase. Phaneuf doesn't have the insulation other great defenders have.

Weber had Suter, Blum,
Petriengelo had Shattenkirk, Jackman
Edler had Bieksa, Hamhuis

Phaneuf has no support of the level of numerous other number 1D
Not to mention Rinne, Halak and Luongo.

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Have you ever noticed that Phaneuf's blunders are almost always entirely his own fault?

I sure have. Never seen a defenseman so good at giving the other team uncontested breakaways. Never seen a supposed number one so obviously braindead when it comes to positioning and reading plays. Never seen a captain spend so much time coasting several steps behind the play. Never seen a supposed elite offensive defenseman with so little ability to carry the puck.

If he goes on the market, the results will speak for themselves. Every GM in the league knows that the potential he showed at one time is never going to be reached.
Never seen a 1D-man so overworked with no support from teammates. You are right though, his true value will show when he reaches UFA.

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One of the worst in the entire league?

Then you question how exactly it is underrating.

And Suter's cap hit would only be half a million more because he signed for thirteen years. He is making 34 million over the next three seasons (11.3M per year) and 94 million over the next decade (9.4M per year).

Somehow you overlooked that. Wonder why.
Because the structure of hte contract is irrelevant to teams that can afford it. Caphit is what matters.

And yes, Phaneuf's current contract is absolutely one of the worst in the league.

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Never seen a 1D-man so overworked with no support from teammates. You are right though, his true value will show when he reaches UFA.
Fond memories of two full seasons of terrible homer posts blaming Phaneuf's glaring mistakes on everybody but him.

Enough with this ********. Phaneuf's top linemate last year was Gunnarsson. You know, the one guy on our team right now that you can rely on for sound defense.

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