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07-28-2012, 03:19 PM
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He has pretty much the same tools as Burnitz did. Potential to have a 40 HR season in his peak year(s), but doesn't provide much else other than power.
I think Viciedo's peak is going to be way below 40 home runs, that's elite power. He's probably going to barely get 20 this season.

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I think Viciedo's peak is going to be way below 40 home runs, that's elite power. He's probably going to barely get 20 this season.
I don't know about way below. Probably 35. The problem is that he has pretty much already filled out his frame.

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He's got 16 now, which is an average of 4 a month, with 2 months to go, a pace for 24. But you believe he will barely get 20. Where do you guys come up with this mathematical nonsense? Would getting 24 if he were to be considered 'barely 20' to you?

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He's got 16 now, which is an average of 4 a month, with 2 months to go, a pace for 24. But you believe he will barely get 20. Where do you guys come up with this mathematical nonsense? Would getting 24 if he were to be considered 'barely 20' to you?
because he hit a bunch in may, and now mays over so he'll only get like 3-4 the last 65 games of the season.

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because he hit a bunch in may, and now mays over so he'll only get like 3-4 the last 65 games of the season.
A big, Cuban Fukudome.

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He's got 16 now, which is an average of 4 a month, with 2 months to go, a pace for 24. But you believe he will barely get 20. Where do you guys come up with this mathematical nonsense? Would getting 24 if he were to be considered 'barely 20' to you?
Except that's not how the real world works. In fact, he's only had 4 or more home runs in one month all season. In almost 170 plate appearances in June and July, he has 5 home runs total.

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In June he was only 1 shy of 4. He has 2 in June, but they've only played 9 home games and at home is where he will hit the majority of his homers.

He's a streaky hitter, so whether he has a big one left in him or not remains to be seen, but I have a hard time seeing him not hitting at least 7-8 more.

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he also has a sweet name. All you have to do is substitute day man with dayan in the lyrics to dayman from always sunny.

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ZiPS has him at 25.

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Does anyone else look at the red sox and worry about the future of the cubs? Epstein left them in a hot mess.

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Does anyone else look at the red sox and worry about the future of the cubs? Epstein left them in a hot mess.
After 10 years of pretty good success...

Lots of pressure to compete with the Yankees there as well.

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After 10 years of pretty good success...

Lots of pressure to compete with the Yankees there as well.
I'm not condemning him, just curious. Red Sox are in a pretty bad place right now.

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I'm not condemning him, just curious. Red Sox are in a pretty bad place right now.
They're still a legit contender. I don't think they're WS quality with their SP, especially with Lester being awful, but they're close. 5 games out of WC with missing huge chunks from Crawford and Ellsbury, even Pedroia and Ortiz have missed time. Oh, and Bailey hasn't thrown a pitch either.

I'm not really sure yet, to your original question. Remember, Hoyer is the GM and Theo is the president. I love what he did with the farm in Boston, and if he can do that here, I think I'll be very satisfied overall. Lots of homegrown talent, and stars there.

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They're still a legit contender. I don't think they're WS quality with their SP, especially with Lester being awful, but they're close. 5 games out of WC with missing huge chunks from Crawford and Ellsbury, even Pedroia and Ortiz have missed time. Oh, and Bailey hasn't thrown a pitch either.

I'm not really sure yet, to your original question. Remember, Hoyer is the GM and Theo is the president. I love what he did with the farm in Boston, and if he can do that here, I think I'll be very satisfied overall. Lots of homegrown talent, and stars there.
yea, but I think its pretty obvious theo was brought in for baseball decisions, not just business decisions.

Red Sox pitching staff is a joke and their FA signings the past 3-4 seasons have been largely bad.

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yea, but I think its pretty obvious theo was brought in for baseball decisions, not just business decisions.

Red Sox pitching staff is a joke and their FA signings the past 3-4 seasons have been largely bad.
What I read is that Lucchino had a lot to do with that too. Sort of the Yankee push.

Hoyer did a very impressive job with the Pads.

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yea, but I think its pretty obvious theo was brought in for baseball decisions, not just business decisions.

Red Sox pitching staff is a joke and their FA signings the past 3-4 seasons have been largely bad.
Absolutely, I'm not saying he isn't, and agree that he will be part of those decisions. Just saying he isn't the only voice in regards to making major decisions on acquisitions and such.

Which signings? Crawford signing was brutal. A speedster at that age should have never gotten that many years. That's the only one I can think off off memory that was notably bad at the time.

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What I read is that Lucchino had a lot to do with that too. Sort of the Yankee push.

Hoyer did a very impressive job with the Pads.
Considering their payroll absolutely. But, on a team like the cubs who will spend money, impact FA signings will be important in 2-3 seasons(if/when they start winning again).

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Considering their payroll absolutely. But, on a team like the cubs who will spend money, impact FA signings will be important in 2-3 seasons(if/when they start winning again).
In any situation, taking a team with a middling farm system and making it the undisputed #1 is incredible.

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Absolutely, I'm not saying he isn't, and agree that he will be part of those decisions. Just saying he isn't the only voice in regards to making major decisions on acquisitions and such.

Which signings? Crawford signing was brutal. A speedster at that age should have never gotten that many years. That's the only one I can think off off memory that was notably bad at the time.
I didn't like the Lackey deal at the time either.

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In any situation, taking a team with a middling farm system and making it the undisputed #1 is incredible.
but keep in mind, its easier to build a farm system when you never have to trade picks/prospects for players because there's no expectations and always have decent first round picks because your team isn't very good.

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I didn't like the Lackey deal at the time either.
Completely forgot about him, and yeah, at the time I didn't like it either. The two years before they signed him he was OK, nothing great, but solid... but also had some injury issues and didn't throw 200 innings either year.

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Absolutely, I'm not saying he isn't, and agree that he will be part of those decisions. Just saying he isn't the only voice in regards to making major decisions on acquisitions and such.

Which signings? Crawford signing was brutal. A speedster at that age should have never gotten that many years. That's the only one I can think off off memory that was notably bad at the time.
Lackey and Jenks jump out at me as well.

Also, Dice K, JD drew, keith foulke and Julio Lugo

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but keep in mind, its easier to build a farm system when you never have to trade picks/prospects for players because there's no expectations and always have decent first round picks because your team isn't very good.
Well, that's where we're at right now.

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Lackey and Jenks jump out at me as well.
Jenks was bad, but they didn't lose any picks from signing him. And for that organization $6 million isn't much for a risk signing.

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Lackey and Jenks jump out at me as well.
Yeah, Jenks blew up on them as well.

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