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07-28-2012, 11:41 PM
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07-28-2012, 11:49 PM
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07-29-2012, 02:48 AM
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I'm going to go with Brett Hull. Hull is one of the most prolific goal scorer in NHL history. On top of that, as he got older, he completely changed his game and proceeded to win 2 cups. I don't think he gets talked about as one of the greats, while he definitely is.
well, you're not really underrated if you're generally considered to be one of the best goal scorers ever and gets chosen into the hall of fame on your first time being eligible without any complaints

as for the cups, hull was a great playoff performer but he also played on some great teams in dallas and detroit so he wasn't exactly out of help there, those teams were loaded with hall of fame talent, even st louis was a very good team with players like oates, shanahan, stevens and macinnis there [not at the same time though] so it wasn't like he carried hartford, winnipeg or florida anywhere, he appeared 19 times in the playoffs on very good to all time great teams and got his fair amount of chances, in comparison a player like pavel bure played on pretty average teams and appeared 5 times in the playoffs

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07-29-2012, 03:16 AM
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Teppo "Repo man" Numminen. Excellent defensively and early in his career had quite some offensive flair.

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07-29-2012, 06:11 AM
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Teppo "Repo man" Numminen. Excellent defensively and early in his career had quite some offensive flair.
This I can get behind. Teppo was and extremely solid hockey player.

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07-29-2012, 06:14 AM
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He`s a Hall of Famer so not sure if this will make some heads shake here but I always felt that Dale Hawerchuk was always underrated for his overall game, his offense was always talked about, but the guy was an exceptional 3 zone player

Former long time Bruin Don Sweeney, small guy with a huge heart is another I`ll toss into the fold here

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Anyone have any thoughts on Kenny Jonsson? I'm too young of a NHL fan to know

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Anyone have any thoughts on Kenny Jonsson? I'm too young of a NHL fan to know
Decent D-man, had a nice career but there I recall him being one of those guys that you kind of waited to raise the bar a bit to his game, long time Islander which may have hurt him, began with the Leafs if not mistaken?

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07-29-2012, 06:20 AM
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Eddie Shore!
Most people consider him a top 3 defenseman of all time. I haven't read the entire thread yet, so I don't know if this is a joke. If anything, he's overrated.

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Not a bad choice just not of all time.

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He`s a Hall of Famer so not sure if this will make some heads shake here but I always felt that Dale Hawerchuk was always underrated for his overall game, his offense was always talked about, but the guy was an exceptional 3 zone player

Former long time Bruin Don Sweeney, small guy with a huge heart is another I`ll toss into the fold here
Hawerchuk is a great pick too. A lot more people know that Peter Stastny was second to Gretzky in scoring from 80-81 to 89-90 than know Hawerchuk was second to Gretzky from 1981-82 to 1990-91

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07-29-2012, 06:50 PM
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Pat Verbeek and Ron Francis are the most underrated players
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I recall reading a quote from Gretzky way back when, refrring to Kent Nilsson as the most talented player in the league (I think it was before Lemieux came into the league)...

I also believe I heard someone in the media say you couldmline up 20 pucks at the blueline, and Kent could put all 20 in off of the post, he was that skilled.

However, if you look at his numbers in the regular season, and compare them to his playoff stats, you see a guy that seems to have been the prototype for the playoff choker. Year after year he failed to get it done in the playoffs. He finished his career with 11 playoff goals.

While in his prime, the Flames traded him for essentially a 2nd round draft pick despite being fresh off of a 99 point season, they couldnt even find anyone to offer up a decent player and/ or 1st rounder for him.
He goes to the North Stars, and despite being a point per game player in each of his 2 seasons, they peddle him to the Oilers for futures (which turns out to only be cash).
After 1 season, and a Cup with the Oilers, they too let him walk.

Super talented but for all intents and purposes, his season ended after game 80.

I think the best evaluator of his worth was what his GM's thought of him, as well as what rival GMs were willing to give up for him, even when he was at his best.

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07-30-2012, 01:30 AM
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Sergei Zubov is INCREDIBLY underrated. The man was almost as good as Lidstrom! Go back and watch him. Silky smooth skating, great and accurate shot, mixed in with his ability to make ****** players amazing (Niskanen). Absolute hoss.

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Sergei Zubov is INCREDIBLY underrated. The man was almost as good as Lidstrom! Go back and watch him. Silky smooth skating, great and accurate shot, mixed in with his ability to make ****** players amazing (Niskanen). Absolute hoss.
0 Norris trophies compared to 7 says no, he isn't. LOL.

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07-30-2012, 01:37 AM
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0 Norris trophies compared to 7 says no, he isn't. LOL.
Probably because Lidstrom won them.

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07-30-2012, 01:47 AM
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A couple of little guys:
Dennis Maruk and Mike Rogers.

I was just looking at a very jnteresting stat..

In 1986, Dennis Maruk, kind of winding down his NHL career, finished 7th overall on the Stars in scoring.

But, he put up an astounding 13 points in 5 games in the playoffs. Why do I find that so amazing? The 2nd leading playoff scorer on the team had but 5 points!
I dont think you see numbers like that often, with that type of disparity.

While I think the 2 little guys I mentioned abover are underrated, there are much better names that have already been mentioned.

Ron Francis is a great one.

But as far as naming guys who werent superstars goes, I thought Thomas Steen was a heckuva player, and is rarely mentioned, unless brought up as being on the unfortunate end of a Gino Odjick beat down.

Dirk Graham was not even signed by the Nucks after being drafted by them...he looked like a sure fire career minor leaguer, but ended up being a fanstastic 2 way player, who was a great leader (team captain) and could fight to boot.

Dave Poulin was another guy who could have played for my team anytime.
Last but not least, I will mention Joe Juneau.

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Probably because Lidstrom won them.
Wait...what?

If you're implying that Zubov only didn't win Norrises because of Lidstrom, then why was Zubov never top-3 in votes (not sure if that's 100% correct, but he couldn't have finished top-3 more than once or twice if he did, looking through some scattered Norris voting #s placing him in the 10-15 range of votes)?

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Maybe not the most underrated player of all time, but I think Esa Tikkanen is pretty damn underrated.

He put up solid numbers throughout his career while being an absolute pain in the neck for anyone on the other team. Seven time runner up for the selke trophy, with 244 goals, 630 points, and 1077 PIMs in 877 NHL games in the NHL regular season.

Not only that but he was an absolute monster in the playoffs too, often shadowing the best player on the other team while putting up fantastic numbers and scoring clutch series winning goals; in 186 playoff games he scored 72 goals, 132 points, and 275 PIMs.

Big, gritty, annoying, complete player. Like a mixture of Jere Lehtinen, Matthew Barnaby, and Patrik Elias.

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Wait...what?

If you're implying that Zubov only didn't win Norrises because of Lidstrom, then why was Zubov never top-3 in votes (not sure if that's 100% correct, but he couldn't have finished top-3 more than once or twice if he did, looking through some scattered Norris voting #s placing him in the 10-15 range of votes)?
I'm only saying his play on the ice man. Not stats or trophys.

Lidstrom was obviously on a better team throughout his career as well. Zubov had an amazing hockey IQ and was always where he needed to be, or making the right play. No question Lidstrom is better.

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I'm only saying his play on the ice man. Not stats or trophys.

Lidstrom was obviously on a better team throughout his career as well. Zubov had an amazing hockey IQ and was always where he needed to be, or making the right play. No question Lidstrom is better.
Trophies reflect play on the ice.

Zubov was a phenomenal defenseman, but he wasn't in Lidstrom's stratosphere. I think that was a very silly comment is all.

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07-30-2012, 02:33 AM
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Trophies reflect play on the ice.

Zubov was a phenomenal defenseman, but he wasn't in Lidstrom's stratosphere. I think that was a very silly comment is all.
Agree to disagree.

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