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10 Teams Still Under Cap Floor

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07-28-2012, 03:29 PM
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And a contract lasts exactly as long as it's designed to. Now it's time to negotiate a new agreement.
He means the contracts that have already been signed with the players. Why should they willingly take pay cuts?

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07-28-2012, 04:15 PM
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I think it's about time that small market teams wise up and start demanding serious assets for their cap space. If teams can front load contracts and make them ridiculously dangerous for small market teams to match, then cap space should have its own value in return. Trades where players like Gomez are dropped to the Coyotes in exchange for some serious assets from Montreal included should be the standard for getting rid of excess baggage. If teams really tried, they could make this cap floor "problem", a very reasonable means by which to continue a rebuild.
The system already lets them do that, but usually teams don't need cap space that desperately and in extreme situations like Gomez and Redden their organizations had to pay them millions to play in the minors, which to those teams was worth a lot more than any significant assets you'd want from them for your cap space.

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Redden and Gomez to Phx

don't forget. Any team that needs to get up to the cap floor should look at Gomez. 2 years left at 5.5 + 4.5 mil but his cap hit is 7.5 + 7.5.
this means you get 7.5 towards your floor but only have to pay 5 mil or so. You can save money. So for teams that need the lowest payroll jut to break even ( maybe) this is a real viable option.

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07-28-2012, 04:50 PM
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If you need two dead weight contracts to get the floor, it might be too high your franchise IS too cheap.
It's not even about teams being cheap anymore. The cap floor is about what the highest spending teams were spending before the lockout. And on whom should teams like Phoenix be spending their money on? There just isn't anyone worth that much money.

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07-28-2012, 04:52 PM
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Thomas for future considerations, someone please take him.

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07-28-2012, 07:14 PM
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Yeah Komi might work if the NYI get desperate depending on how CBA talks go and the Visnosky debacle turns out

Komi is at least a #5 defensive D isn't he...?

Burkie would also have to accept like a 7th round pick and Komi would have to waive his NMC/NTC whatever it is
Connolly is 4mil salary, 4.75 cap hit. He's still a good player too. I think NYI would be interested.

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07-28-2012, 07:45 PM
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Connolly is 4mil salary, 4.75 cap hit. He's still a good player too. I think NYI would be interested.
Parenteau lobbied for a new contract with the isles. He was coming off a 67 pt season and proved too expensive for Snow at $4m.

But, you think Snow will pay Connolly, coming off a 35 pt season, $4m?

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07-28-2012, 08:11 PM
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Parenteau lobbied for a new contract with the isles. He was coming off a 67 pt season and proved too expensive for Snow at $4m.

But, you think Snow will pay Connolly, coming off a 35 pt season, $4m?
1 year versus 4.

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07-28-2012, 08:27 PM
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The Cap Ceiling gives a 10% leeway, the Cap floor does not change.

The Blues need to add some salary to get to the floor; and it will come in the form of a Defenseman to play next to Pietrangelo.
I agree with that concept, but what I don't see is where this defenseman is coming from.

Unless the Blues can persuade Pittsburgh to ship Orpik to St. Louis in exchange for picks, or can convince Edmonton to do the same with Smid, I don't see another defenseman out there that would:

1. Be a good fit with Pietrangelo, and

2. Be reasonably available.

And no, I do not want Jay Bouwmeester on the Blues... at any price. I'd take Giordano from Calgary, but the Flames are about as likely to offer him as the Pens are to offer Orpik, or the Oil to offer Smid... that is to say, not likely at all.

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07-28-2012, 08:34 PM
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I agree usually big market teams do this more often than smaller ones but LA taking Tverdovsky is a perfect example of a team giving up assets to get rid of a bad contract.
No no, LA received assets for taking on Tverdovski (which allowed them to pay less for Johnson in that deal). Because AEG was willing to pay salary out even though the Kings we're a losing team, that gave Dean Lombardi an extra card up his sleeve in taking a cap dump.

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07-28-2012, 08:40 PM
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1 year versus 4.
Months ago the press speculated that Snow would make a push for ufa Jokinen. Snow told fans in a meet and greet, he was a big Frans Nielsen fan but wanted more offense from his 2nd line center spot.

NY Newsday says Snow made a push for Jokinen (61 pts),but couldn't sign him. He signed a 2 yr/$9m with Winnipeg.

Isles current 2nd line center,Nielsen, scored 47 pts,while making $550,000.
Connolly scored 35 pts, while making $4.75m.


The budget tight Isles, replaced Parenteau with Boyes($1m). Imo it's fantasy to think the isles would pay a struggling Connolly $4m in actual salary. Right up there with Komi to LI proposals.

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07-28-2012, 09:59 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but when they NHL set the cap at 70.2 this season, was that not set in stone regardless of the outcome of CBA negotiations, so teams could set rosters without having to worry about a cap change for this season? I would suggest that any rollback or reduction in floor/ceiling will not kick in until next season, otherwise a few teams currently up against the cap ceiling (Boston, Minny) are going to really be up **** creek without a paddle when the season starts.
I hope everyone realizes that when they rollback the salary cap they also roll back salaries the same percentage. Just like in 05-06

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07-29-2012, 02:34 AM
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I hope everyone realizes that when they rollback the salary cap they also roll back salaries the same percentage. Just like in 05-06
Not necessarily.

If they reduce the Players Share from 57% to 51-52%, the cap would come out at about exactly where it was last season ($64.3). No across the board rollbacks would be needed - and only the ~5-6 teams who are over that number would be directly impacted.

While, it is possible the League may get the NHLPA to agree to reduce the Players Share - not to the 46% of their opening offer, but more likely to 50-52% - it is very unlikely they would agree to any across the board rollbacks. In that case, the League likely takes the money and run - and that minority of teams are screwed (or given some get-out-of-jail-free-card mechanism).

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07-29-2012, 07:11 AM
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Not necessarily.

If they reduce the Players Share from 57% to 51-52%, the cap would come out at about exactly where it was last season ($64.3). No across the board rollbacks would be needed - and only the ~5-6 teams who are over that number would be directly impacted.

While, it is possible the League may get the NHLPA to agree to reduce the Players Share - not to the 46% of their opening offer, but more likely to 50-52% - it is very unlikely they would agree to any across the board rollbacks. In that case, the League likely takes the money and run - and that minority of teams are screwed (or given some get-out-of-jail-free-card mechanism).
They can also expand the cap range at the same time. If they rolled back the HHR to 50% and had the range be mid point +/- $12M the new range would be roughly $42.6-66.6M which would work for pretty much evry team with the possible exception of Vancouver. And as a percentage of the midpoint the $12M radius is less than the $8M radius when the midpoint was at $31M.

As the cap rises it makes sense that the range also increases in size.

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