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07-29-2012, 04:49 PM
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Bought tickets for Wednesday's game. I got a good deal on some tickets, thought I would take the girlfriend. Anyone ever sat in the Legends Club?

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Bought tickets for Wednesday's game. I got a good deal on some tickets, thought I would take the girlfriend. Anyone ever sat in the Legends Club?
Yea. I met Ellen DeGeneres there last summer. That place is nice. Plus, you have AC to go hide in and comfortable seats. Worth the price. And a good vantage point. I don't like being too close to the field.

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Yea. I met Ellen DeGeneres there last summer. That place is nice. Plus, you have AC to go hide in and comfortable seats. Worth the price. And a good vantage point. I don't like being too close to the field.
Thanks for the info! I see the forecast is almost 90 for that day. So, I'm glad I spent a little extra for those seats!

Wonder what Ellen was doing at Target Field. Oh well.

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Thanks for the info! I see the forecast is almost 90 for that day. So, I'm glad I spent a little extra for those seats!

Wonder what Ellen was doing at Target Field. Oh well.
No idea. Probably just a media appearance. You're lucky. When I went it was almost 100. And I just golfed and its 106 down here. 90s shouldn't be too bad.

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Willingham has smashed 27 so far, is making less than half than the ****** Morneau, and these idiots are going to trade him?:

http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_2...ine-approaches

The only way they should trade him is if they are going to get two possible ace prospects.

For the love of God, just get rid of the soft Canuck Morneau if you possibly can.

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Wolves signee Kirilenko puts up 35 on the world stage for Russian national team in London Olympics:

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_...lympic-victory

Hopefully a taste of what he will bring to the Wolves this year.

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The Liriano trade...well they got a couple scraps for him. There was no market for a talented pitcher who will never give you a consistent game.

They had sure as hell better chase 2-3 very good starters next year. If they don't spend $30+ million two improve the starting pitching, the fans had better revolt.

I still think this team is 4-5 years away from respectability, let alone any kind of success. They just have no pitching at all.

And I'd like to see them get rid of Morneau. Hold on to Hammer, and hope Plouffe is the real deal, but Morneau needs to be moved ASAP before he gets hurt again.

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The Liriano trade...well they got a couple scraps for him. There was no market for a talented pitcher who will never give you a consistent game.

They had sure as hell better chase 2-3 very good starters next year. If they don't spend $30+ million two improve the starting pitching, the fans had better revolt.
I still think this team is 4-5 years away from respectability, let alone any kind of success. They just have no pitching at all.

And I'd like to see them get rid of Morneau. Hold on to Hammer, and hope Plouffe is the real deal, but Morneau needs to be moved ASAP before he gets hurt again.
This.....I'm sick and tired of the Pohlads/Ryan continuing to stand on the sidelines and not go after what they need more than anything: A legitimate #1 and #2 starter.

They said they needed a new ballpark so they can generate additional revenue and be competitive. They have their ballpark, now get out there and build the team to where it will compete, not just in the Central, but in the American League.

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07-30-2012, 09:43 AM
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But you're forgetting that they spent money once on a team that went nowhere (even though they completely neglected the rotation)

I'm willing to call the Billy Smith era a joke but so far Terry Ryan hasn't shown much of anything. They added a longshot project starter who failed before the season began, watched another pitcher go out with TJ, and were planning on Pavano and Liriano to lead the rotation?

Ugh.

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Morneau is the most overpaid stiff in the history of the organization, hands down. Guy had one great year and they tossed bags of money at him. I can't stand watching him play, but we are stuck with his monumental contract through next year I suppose.


As far as starting aces I don't think there are a lot on the market. Our best hope is that Gibson comes in next year lights out and Baker does the same. Diamond looks to have a promising next few years. Deduno could be a solid #4 or #5. Assuming these four are all healthy and we add a serious ace, they could be respectable.

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I guess I can't get too upset with Morneau given all his concussion issues. I can't imagine what it'd be like to come back and be able to get your concentration on the ball back to where it would need to be at the major league level. Completely disagree that he was a one year wonder too. He was a very good hitter for several years and prior to that major concussion he sustained, he was likely hitting better than anyone in the league at that point.

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He wasn't a one hit (year) wonder, I know. I think my patience with him has pretty much bottomed out at this point.

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Morneau is the most overpaid stiff in the history of the organization, hands down. Guy had one great year and they tossed bags of money at him. I can't stand watching him play, but we are stuck with his monumental contract through next year I suppose.


As far as starting aces I don't think there are a lot on the market. Our best hope is that Gibson comes in next year lights out and Baker does the same. Diamond looks to have a promising next few years. Deduno could be a solid #4 or #5. Assuming these four are all healthy and we add a serious ace, they could be respectable.
Since Hamels re-upped with the Phillies, and Greinke showing interest in re-upping with the Angel after the trade, there's not a ton of top flight starters available, but they could fill some decent mid rotational guys while the young guys develop, or hope we return some young pitching for Morneau even if it's a few years off.

I think Morneau will go, but they won't trade Willingham unless significant overpayment, and they shouldn't given his year. I get the logic in trading him while his value is high and he's mashing the ball, but it doesn't send a good message to the team nor other players wanting to sign here that we trade guys away after half a season. I'd prefer to keep Willingham though unless we're offered just an amazing package.

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They will have Diamond next year along with maybe Baker and Gibson. So getting 2-3 solid starters, even if not top tier, should go a long way. Blackburn's clearly not a major league pitcher. De Vries could be insurance for one of Baker or Gibson.

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The fact that Minnesota's #2 starter will likely be one of two guys coming off of Tommy John surgery is horrible.

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I wish we would've signed Dan Haren that one offseason.

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They will have Diamond next year along with maybe Baker and Gibson. So getting 2-3 solid starters, even if not top tier, should go a long way. Blackburn's clearly not a major league pitcher. De Vries could be insurance for one of Baker or Gibson.
Baker would be okay only if we decline his option and bring him back on an incentive laden deal, but some guys that are decent and can actually pitch some decent innings would go a long way as you said.

The starting pitchers this year have been historically atrocious.

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Had a discussion with the family this weekend about where things really went wrong, especially in the rotation.

First, we should've traded Santana to Boston for Lester. Screw the "don't trade him to the same league" crap.

Second was the Garza deal. He was the only young, power arm we had at the time. I know he hasn't lit the world on fire since he left but it still turned out the be a wasted asset. What did we get for Delmon Young again?

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Had a discussion with the family this weekend about where things really went wrong, especially in the rotation.

First, we should've traded Santana to Boston for Lester. Screw the "don't trade him to the same league" crap.

Second was the Garza deal. He was the only young, power arm we had at the time. I know he hasn't lit the world on fire since he left but it still turned out the be a wasted asset. What did we get for Delmon Young again?
Completetly agree. There were offers for Santana that were miles better than the one we got from the Mets. Boston was offering either Lester or Ellsbury and the Yankees were offering Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain (still better than the Mets' offer).

With Garza, he's a decent pitcher (even won the ALCS MVP IIRC) but he was to be a big part of our future and if we traded him, we needed to flat out win the trade. We didn't win either trade, and at the moment, we've turned those very good assets into a number of minor leaguers who will probably mean nothing in the major leagues.

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Completetly agree. There were offers for Santana that were miles better than the one we got from the Mets. Boston was offering either Lester or Ellsbury and the Yankees were offering Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain (still better than the Mets' offer).

With Garza, he's a decent pitcher (even won the ALCS MVP IIRC) but he was to be a big part of our future and if we traded him, we needed to flat out win the trade. We didn't win either trade, and at the moment, we've turned those very good assets into a number of minor leaguers who will probably mean nothing in the major leagues.
Yeah. Lester and a couple minor leaguers would've at least been $0.80 or $0.85 on the dollar. Even at the time, the Mets only gave us about $0.25 based only upon Gomez's "potential". Now, we have absolutely nothing to show for one the best pitchers in the game (at the time).

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I'm also in the boat that doesn't want to see Willingham traded. Guy's on pace for 40 HRs for god's sake. With a healthy Morneau, that's a damn solid 3-4-5 hitter's line-up. Let's just see if Porneau Morneau can get back to his old hitting habits by next season.

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Start with Mauer and go from there.

Mauer should have never stayed behind the plate. They destroyed the guy's career by doing so.

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Move Morneau, and you've got solid hitting with Mauer, Willingham, and Plouffe in the 3-4-5. Use that salary for pitching. With Span, Revere, even Mastrionni, they've got some good players. They do need to upgrade from Casilla though...ugh.

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Move Morneau, and you've got solid hitting with Mauer, Willingham, and Plouffe in the 3-4-5. Use that salary for pitching. With Span, Revere, even Mastrionni, they've got some good players. They do need to upgrade from Casilla though...ugh.
Casilla's gone after this year. Think that's one of the reasons why Terry Ryan took his replacement in the Liriano deal.

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Start with Mauer and go from there.

Mauer should have never stayed behind the plate. They destroyed the guy's career by doing so.
Umm...he might win the batting title this year. And he's near the top of the AL in OBP...not sure but he might still be leading.

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