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07-30-2012, 11:08 AM
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Round 1

1. Dallas Stars
2. Buffalo Sabres
3. Minnesota Wild
4. New Jersey Devils
5. Edmonton Oilers
6. New York Islanders
7. Edmonton Oilers (from TBL)
8. Columbus Blue Jacket
9. Florida Panthers
10. Columbus Blue Jackets (from WPG)
11. Dallas Stars (from CBJ via NSH via VAN)
12. St. Louis Blues
13. St. Louis Blues (from PHI)
14. Edmonton Oilers (from COL)
15. Edmonton Oilers (from PHX)
16. Tampa Bay Lightning (from PHI via PIT via NYR)
17. Washington Capitals
18. Calgary Flames
19. Buffalo Sabres (from MTL via LAK)
20. Carolina Hurricanes
21. Ottawa Senators
22.Winnipeg Jets (from BUF via CBJ via NSH)
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Round 2

31. Dallas Stars
32. Buffalo Sabres
33. Minnesota Wild
34. New Jersey Devils
35. Edmonton Oilers
36. New York Islanders
37. Montreal Canadiens (from DAL via TBL)
38. Winnipeg Jets (from CBJ)
39. Buffalo Sabres (from FLA)
40. Tampa Bay Lightning (from WPG)
41. Dallas Stars (from VAN)
42. New Jersey Devils (from STL)
43. Dallas Stars (from PHI)
44. New York Islanders (from COL)
45. Washington Capitals (from PHX)
46. Dallas Stars (from CBJ via BUF via NYR)
47. St. Louis Blues (from CBJ vis WSH)
48. Calgary Flames
49. Detroit Red Wings (from LAK)
50. New Jersey Devils (from CAR)
51. Winnipeg Jets (from BUF via OTT)
52. Montreal Canadiens (from NSH)
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Round 3

61. Columbus Blue Jackets (from BUF via DAL)
62. Anaheim Ducks (from BUF)
63. Minnesota Wild
64. Carolina Hurricanes (from NJD)
65. Phoenix Coyotes (from EDM)
66. Carolina Hurricanes (from PIT via NYI)
67. Buffalo Sabres (from DAL via TBL)
68. Philadelphia Flyers (from CBJ)
69. Florida Panthers
70. Winnipeg Jets
71. Montreal Canadiens (from DAL via VAN)
72. Montreal Canadiens (from BUF via STL)
73. Anaheim Ducks (from STL via PHI)
74. Colorado Avalanche
75. Phoenix Coyotes
76. New York Rangers
77. Washington Capitals
78. Calgary Flames
79. Los Angeles Kings
80. Carolina Hurricanes
81. Ottawa Senators
82. Vancouver Canucks (from NSH)
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Round 4

91. Phoenix Coyotes (from DAL)
92. New York Rangers (from BUF)
93. Minnesota Wild
94. Boston Bruins (from NJD)
95. Ottawa Senators (from BUF via EDM)
96. New York Islanders
97. Nashville Predators (from TBL)
98. Philadelphia Flyers (from DAL via CBJ)
99. Florida Panthers
100. Winnipeg Jets
101. Vancouver Canucks
102. Boston Bruins (from STL)
103. Philadelphia Flyers
104. St. Louis Blues (from COL)
105. Phoenix Coyotes
106. Montreal Canadiens (from NYR)
107. Washington Capitals
108. Calgary Flames
109. Tampa Bay Lightning (from LAK)
110. Carolina Hurricanes
111. Ottawa Senators
112. Nashville Predators
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Round 5

121. St. Louis Blues (from DAL)
122. Tampa Bay Lightning (from BUF)
123. Minnesota Wild
124. New Jersey Devils
125. Edmonton Oilers
126. Nashville Predators (from NYI)
127. Tampa Bay Lightning
128. Philadelphia Flyers (from LAK via DET via CBJ)
129. Florida Panthers
130. Winnipeg Jets
131. Nashville Predators
132. St. Louis Blues
133. Philadelphia Flyers
134. Colorado Avalanche
135. Phoenix Coyotes
136. New York Rangers
137. Washington Capitals
138. Calgary Flames
139. Los Angeles Kings
140. Carolina Hurricanes
141. Ottawa Senators
142. Nashville Predators
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Round 6

151. Dallas Stars
152. Tampa Bay Lightning (from BUF)
153. Minnesota Wild
154. Boston Bruins (from NJD)
155. Buffalo Sabres (from EDM)
156. New York Islanders
157. Tampa Bay Lightning
158. Columbus Blue Jackets
159. Florida Panthers
160. Columbus Blue Jackets (from WPG)
161. Vancouver Canucks
162. St. Louis Blues
163. Philadelphia Flyers
164. Tampa Bay Lightning (from COL)
165. Phoenix Coyotes
166. New York Rangers
167. Washington Capitals
168. Calgary Flames
169. Los Angeles Kings
170. Carolina Hurricanes
171. Ottawa Senators
172. Nashville Predators
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Round 7

181. Dallas Stars
182. Buffalo Sabres
183. Minnesota Wild
184. New Jersey Devils
185. Edmonton Oilers
186. New York Islanders
187. Tampa Bay Lightning
188. Buffalo Sabres (from CBJ)
189. Florida Panthers
190. Winnipeg Jets
191. Vancouver Canucks
192. St. Louis Blues
193. Philadelphia Flyers
194. Colorado Avalanche
195. Phoenix Coyotes
196. New York Rangers
197. Washington Capitals
198. Calgary Flames
199. Los Angeles Kings
200. Carolina Hurricanes
201. Ottawa Senators
202. Nashville Predators
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07-30-2012, 11:10 AM
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07-30-2012, 11:18 AM
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What do you mean contract sliding?

All I can say is the 3 years will kick in once you decide to sign him.

Can you explain what you mean further.
Contract sliding refers to players signed to an ELC that play fewer than 10 games (9 or less) in the NHL before being returned to junior. I'm not sure the exact wording of the rule, but it's easier to describe a situation.

For example, last season, Mark Scheifele was drafted 7th by WPG in 2011. He was signed to a 3 year ELC and played 7 games in the 2011/2012 NHL season before being returned to Junior. Because he played less than 10 NHL games, the first year of his contract slides. So as of the beginning of the 2012/2013 season, he still has 3 years remaining on his deal, instead of 2.

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Oh I know exactly what you're talking about I just didn't know the terminology.

To keep it simple I would probably say that if you decide to, and announce the signing of a player to an elc then it automatically kicks in. There probably won't be a 9 game window just that once they're signed the contract is on full effect no matter where they're playing. I think that may be easiest but I'm open to any suggestions.

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Not that I'm aware of. There weren't that many trades this time around anyways.

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I'll come up with a base salary, like 1 mill a year for 1st rounders, 850k for 2nd, etc so that it's as simple as possible but you're probably just going to have to announce that a player has signed an elc so we can start counting the years. There most likely won't be any negotiating that will have to be done.
As far as signing ELC's an idea could be to just have it auto-match the contract that is signed in real life. Same concept just a bit easier to handle and of course, matches real life difficulty.

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Not that I'm aware of. There weren't that many trades this time around anyways.
Hopefully the worst of it is over that a majority of the picks have been accounted for

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Oh I know exactly what you're talking about I just didn't know the terminology.

To keep it simple I would probably say that if you decide to, and announce the signing of a player to an elc then it automatically kicks in. There probably won't be a 9 game window just that once they're signed the contract is on full effect no matter where they're playing. I think that may be easiest but I'm open to any suggestions.
I get that but they don't have to play in the NHL to have them slide. Example again, Grigorenko was drafted out of the QMJHL this year, so its NHL or Q for him. If he doesn't play a game in the NHL, and is returned to the Q, his contract would still slide.

I think it makes most sense to just have the player's contract start when it is signed because it will be the easiest to keep track of.

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21st overall... definitely looking to move up in the draft.

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As far as signing ELC's an idea could be to just have it auto-match the contract that is signed in real life. Same concept just a bit easier to handle and of course, matches real life difficulty.
That old definitely make it a whole lot easier but the first issue that popped in my mind is let's say I draft Skeij and sign him to an elc before the rangers do, then what do we value the elc at?

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I get that but they don't have to play in the NHL to have them slide. Example again, Grigorenko was drafted out of the QMJHL this year, so its NHL or Q for him. If he doesn't play a game in the NHL, and is returned to the Q, his contract would still slide.

I think it makes most sense to just have the player's contract start when it is signed because it will be the easiest to keep track of.
That's what I was trying to say. Once a GM announces they have signed a player to an elc then that contract will kick in on the 3 years no matter what. That would probably be the best, and simplest way, to deal with them and avoid all these different scenarios.

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Hopefully the worst of it is over that a majority of the picks have been accounted for
No. There's a **** ton left in the last few teams

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That old definitely make it a whole lot easier but the first issue that popped in my mind is let's say I draft Skeij and sign him to an elc before the rangers do, then what do we value the elc at?
I thought about that too. I don't think that will be a big issue though. EA is not very likely to rank any prospect highly before they play in the NHL let alone in the AHL when most players sign their ELC.

HOWEVER, in the rare event that it does happen that a GM does choose to sign a certain player before the real-life team does you always have the agents available and the standard NHL ELC contract rules in place.

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Columbus is willing to listen to offers on both the 8th overall and the 10th overall. Looking to package with a player/prospect to bring in a difference maker.

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Columbus is willing to listen to offers on both the 8th overall and the 10th overall. Looking to package with a player/prospect to bring in a difference maker.

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I thought about that too. I don't think that will be a big issue though. EA is not very likely to rank any prospect highly before they play in the NHL let alone in the AHL when most players sign their ELC.

HOWEVER, in the rare event that it does happen that a GM does choose to sign a certain player before the real-life team does you always have the agents available and the standard NHL ELC contract rules in place.
I don't think the agents are sticking around after free agency. I'm going to be the agent again during the season.

I think this is a pretty good idea and don't mind taking this suggestion up. It keeps it simple and leaves little amounts of work for me to do.

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So whats the GM/Agent etiquette? Do we treat it as realistic as possible and make a presentation? Or are we just PMing them and they roll dice or something to decide?

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Entertaining offers for the 4th overall pick.

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Most teams just pm the agents with their offer and they kind of go back and forth but if a lesser team, or a team talking to a player they REALLY want, wants to make an impression typically they do try a sell job just explaining the team, playing time, etc.

It's up to the agents to determine whas best for their clients so if you feel like your team is good enough where you don't need to tell them then you just make an offer. I truly depends on the individual circumstance. For example, I'd personally be more inclined to give a sell job and impress the agent for a Ryan Suter, Shea Weber, Alex Semin type of player then I would for a Jeff Halpern.

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And what if the player resigned already with a season to go, like Tobias Enstrom?

He was a UFA 2013

And does the case become easier if the RFA resigns with their current team

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And what if the player resigned already with a season to go, like Tobias Enstrom?

He was a UFA 2013

And does the case become easier if the RFA resigns with their current team
No everyone at the start of the game that was set to be a free agent will be.

I'm getting the list ready early at the start of every year so signings during the season aren't accounted for. Although Tobias Enstrom may be the exception because he's not going to show up on the free agent list next year. You'll most likely just assume that contract that he just signed.

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For the RFAs will it be as easy as just PMing the agent and saying "hey i got cap space for ya so were signing you to bla bla bla" or is there a chance the agent says "we dont want to resign here we want to go play somewhere else."?

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Hearing news out of Philadelphia that the may be interested in moving pieces like Danny Briere, and some of their older defensemen at the draft.

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For the RFAs will it be as easy as just PMing the agent and saying "hey i got cap space for ya so were signing you to bla bla bla" or is there a chance the agent says "we dont want to resign here we want to go play somewhere else."?
For 95% of the players it's going to just be I want to sign blah blah RFA to a contract but for 5% they'll be more difficult, possibility of offer sheets, more money, etc.

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