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07-16-2012, 03:44 PM
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I don't think he's significantly better than Harding at all...
Then you're wrong.

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Then you're wrong.
Nope, just my opinion.

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The only knock against Harding/Hackett is sample size. Both have been above average goalies for the majority of their starts. But the starts are so few and/or far between.

Backstrom has been pretty much a rock for his NHL career. He's had one "slump" and his positioning has gotten off a bit over the last couple years, but that's a pretty small criticism.

Clearly the Wild are betting on Harding and Hackett to show they are ready to take over next year, otherwise maybe they do look to move Harding and re-sign Backstrom. He might take a cut to come back, but my guess is he could be asking $4m or so.

I personally think goalies are only as good as the team in front of them, so I do think we'll be fine with Harding/Hackett going forward.

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07-16-2012, 04:20 PM
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Out of curiosity, I took their numbers from 2011-12, 2009-10, and 2008-09, STARTS ONLY:

YearBacks GSHards GSBacks SaveHards SaveBacks GA/60Hards GA/60
2011-124530.919.9182.432.61
2009-105822.904.9002.693.21
2008-097111.923.9242.332.55


Really if you look at the numbers, they aren't too far off, except GAA. I tried to isolate against bad starts (which might throw off Harding with smaller sample size), so I took all games they played over 55 minutes:

YearBacks GSHards GSBacks SaveHards SaveBacks GA/60Hards GA/60
2011-124125.924.9252.272.29
2009-105418.909.9032.563.05
2008-096311.932.9242.042.55


There's still a pretty big disparity.

So I don't know what to make of it, someone smarter than me can figure it out.

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07-16-2012, 05:17 PM
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The thing about Bäcks as i see it is that he may be one of those "boring" tenders.. He does not make those crazy spiderman flip glovehand-saves like Harding because his positioning and movement tactics are smooth as hell.. The fact that he is used as an example when there is goaliecamps is enough for me..

(and im saying this as a hardcore harding fan!)

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07-16-2012, 05:46 PM
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I get the sense this year is Harding's coming out party...and if he can stay healthy/Play 35+games this year(Yes I realize he would have to outshine Backs alot) then Backs walks to another team..

Backs does have a NTC though and loves it in Minnesota...why wouldn't he with all the Finnish connections..just a thought

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07-16-2012, 05:48 PM
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Nope, just my opinion.
I tend to agree with this opinion...I still think Harding can be a legit #1 in the NHL..

Remember folks goalies take time

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07-16-2012, 06:27 PM
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Out of curiosity, I took their numbers from 2011-12, 2009-10, and 2008-09, STARTS ONLY:

YearBacks GSHards GSBacks SaveHards SaveBacks GA/60Hards GA/60
2011-124530.919.9182.432.61
2009-105822.904.9002.693.21
2008-097111.923.9242.332.55


Really if you look at the numbers, they aren't too far off, except GAA. I tried to isolate against bad starts (which might throw off Harding with smaller sample size), so I took all games they played over 55 minutes:

YearBacks GSHards GSBacks SaveHards SaveBacks GA/60Hards GA/60
2011-124125.924.9252.272.29
2009-105418.909.9032.563.05
2008-096311.932.9242.042.55


There's still a pretty big disparity.

So I don't know what to make of it, someone smarter than me can figure it out.
One thing to remember when trying to make sense of these numbers, alot of Hardings starts were on the backends of B2B games. That might help explain why the SV% are close but the GAA isnt.

IMO- Backstrom is the better goalie, but i'm not sure its fair to compare numbers when Harding has been thrown to the wolves quite a few times in the last few years.

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07-16-2012, 08:06 PM
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well we'll all probably find out next year. I would have to think Backs gets most of the starts but harding will probably pick up more than he has in the past.

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07-16-2012, 08:07 PM
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is there a quality of competition stat out there for goalies? there has to be...

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07-16-2012, 10:26 PM
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Backstrom is 100% a positioning goaltender. He prides himself on being in the right spot for the shot and he's damn good down low although he let in a few more five hole goals last season than I would've liked. He's never been real good on high shots but he's really come out of his crease more lately to help cut down the angle. It's those 2nd and 3rd shots where Backs really struggles. If he's out of position, he's screwed (albeit an occasional desperation save). Hopefully our defense can help him out even more this year in situations like that.

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07-17-2012, 11:46 PM
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Backstrom is 100% a positioning goaltender. He prides himself on being in the right spot for the shot and he's damn good down low although he let in a few more five hole goals last season than I would've liked. He's never been real good on high shots but he's really come out of his crease more lately to help cut down the angle. It's those 2nd and 3rd shots where Backs really struggles. If he's out of position, he's screwed (albeit an occasional desperation save). Hopefully our defense can help him out even more this year in situations like that.
I think we all know what kind of goaltender Backstrom is and where his struggles lie. Remember he's been a Wild now for what? 6 years??

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is there a stat that measures the quality of competition against which each goaltender started? that might make a difference in interpreting the stats. you know, if one got mostly really bad teams?

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07-18-2012, 01:17 AM
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Yeah, I agree with BeeGoalie. One would hope that after six years, we all know;

Backstrom = Superb Technique. Solid Positioning. Weak Lateral Movement.
Harding = Strong Athleticism. Good (and getting better) Positioning. Good Technique. Sometimes, confidence issues.

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07-31-2012, 02:21 PM
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So how do you guys see the goaltending decided this year? Obviously Backs is still the assumed starter but with Harding re-signing and Backs on his last year, I would say maybe 60-40 split??

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So how do you guys see the goaltending decided this year? Obviously Backs is still the assumed starter but with Harding re-signing and Backs on his last year, I would say maybe 60-40 split??
That sounds about right, maybe closer to 65-35

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I get the sense this year is Harding's coming out party...and if he can stay healthy/Play 35+games this year(Yes I realize he would have to outshine Backs alot) then Backs walks to another team..

Backs does have a NTC though and loves it in Minnesota...why wouldn't he with all the Finnish connections..just a thought
I was listening to Russo on KFAN before he went on vacation and he said something to the effect that Backstrom's NTC clause is not iron tight and that the Wild can trade him....not saying that they will, but it could happen I guess.

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So how do you guys see the goaltending decided this year? Obviously Backs is still the assumed starter but with Harding re-signing and Backs on his last year, I would say maybe 60-40 split??
Yeo likes to ride the hot hand. I think the expectation is around a 55/27 split, but if Harding goes on a run like last season, or if Backstrom starts slipping at some point, Yeo's not afraid to ride whichever goalie he thinks is playing better.

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Harding or Hackett will be the starter for game 1 of the playoffs next year if we get there and you heard it here first.

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Harding or Hackett will be the starter for game 1 of the playoffs next year if we get there and you heard it here first.
So you think Hackett is more likely to be the starter by the end of the season than Backstrom? That seems a bit farfetched.

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So you think Hackett is more likely to be the starter by the end of the season than Backstrom? That seems a bit farfetched.
Yes, I don't like Backstrom, he's too injured and more importantly he is beyond inconsistent, always has been. I expect he'll either be injured or ineffective and have faith that Yeo is smart enough to see that and change to Harding or Hackett if Hackett continues to prove he is ready.

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Yes, I don't like Backstrom, he's too injured and more importantly he is beyond inconsistent, always has been. I expect he'll either be injured or ineffective and have faith that Yeo is smart enough to see that and change to Harding or Hackett if Hackett continues to prove he is ready.
Backstrom's always injured? Do you mean Harding?

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Both of them are injury prone.

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I think sometimes Backs tries to play through injuries and it doesn't look pretty. Otherwise I don't understand those inconsistency arguments. He's just worn out, hurt and slow. Really slow ..you know what I mean.

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Good news is that Bäckström is a much better shape than he has been at this time of the year for the past several seasons. We have been able to really execute a solid summer training program this year and he has also improved his technique significantly.

Here's a short sneak preview on the upcoming video on his summer workouts.

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