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07-23-2012, 10:06 AM
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Nice read, thanks for posting this.

What do you think Sgarbossa's NHL upside and downside would be, out of curiousity? Are we looking at a top 6 or bust guy, or a possible 3rd line pest even though he is challenged physically going forward?
Me personally think hes a top 6 or ahler

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07-23-2012, 07:38 PM
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Nice read, thanks for posting this.

What do you think Sgarbossa's NHL upside and downside would be, out of curiousity? Are we looking at a top 6 or bust guy, or a possible 3rd line pest even though he is challenged physically going forward?
Once a player hits the pro's, it's pretty remarkable how some of them adapt to stay alive.

My first instinct is to say that Sgarbossa is probably a top 6 or "bust" guy. His greatest attributes are offensive ones and I don't ever see him getting strong enough, good enough defensively, and aggressive enough to be a player you'd want in your bottom six.

That said, he's a terrific skater and he's got a very low center of gravity, making him hard to stop once he gets going. If his offensive game doesn't translate as well as hoped, does he adapt and become a speedy, forechecker type? He'd have to add more aggression/physicality to his game, but he wouldn't be the first player to transform himself post OHL graduation. Adapt or die I guess is the saying that fits.

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07-23-2012, 11:49 PM
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Once a player hits the pro's, it's pretty remarkable how some of them adapt to stay alive.

My first instinct is to say that Sgarbossa is probably a top 6 or "bust" guy. His greatest attributes are offensive ones and I don't ever see him getting strong enough, good enough defensively, and aggressive enough to be a player you'd want in your bottom six.

That said, he's a terrific skater and he's got a very low center of gravity, making him hard to stop once he gets going. If his offensive game doesn't translate as well as hoped, does he adapt and become a speedy, forechecker type? He'd have to add more aggression/physicality to his game, but he wouldn't be the first player to transform himself post OHL graduation. Adapt or die I guess is the saying that fits.
He sounds like Arnason.

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He sounds like Arnason.
Except that Sgar actually works hard, digs puck out of corners, makes hits, looks like he's trying, etc etc

If anything, he sounds like a more offensively gifted Olver.

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07-24-2012, 11:39 AM
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If Sgarbossa doesn't end up as top 6 player, I think he can develop a Galiardi sort of game. Though I fully expect him to develop into a 45-55 point winger that has a good amount of grit to his game. Like GeoffL19 said, a more offensively gifted Olver.

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So....Dillon Donnolly, eh?




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So....Dillon Donnolly, eh?
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Forgot to post this here:

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2012...avalanche.html

OHL prospect expert Brock Otten goes over our OHL prospects.

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Today I posted my top 20 rankings for WHL players for the 2013 NHL Draft. Really hope we have a 1st rounder to use on one of these guys, let's just hope it's 30th overall!

http://whl-from-above.blogspot.ca/20...nhl-draft.html

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Today I posted my top 20 rankings for WHL players for the 2013 NHL Draft. Really hope we have a 1st rounder to use on one of these guys, let's just hope it's 30th overall!

http://whl-from-above.blogspot.ca/20...nhl-draft.html
Alex Forsberg is ours! 5'9"-5'10" center with skill from the WHL that plays on a team with a current prospect, I'm sure Pracey is just salivating at the thought.

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Forgot to post this here:

http://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2012...avalanche.html

OHL prospect expert Brock Otten goes over our OHL prospects.
Scroll up just a bit.

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Today I posted my top 20 rankings for WHL players for the 2013 NHL Draft. Really hope we have a 1st rounder to use on one of these guys, let's just hope it's 30th overall!

http://whl-from-above.blogspot.ca/20...nhl-draft.html
So how long before you get a gig as a scout? I remember reading blogs for an amateur scout in the past and the guy got offered a role in the Isle's organization.

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Scroll up just a bit.
Thanks, didn't see that stuff.


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So how long before you get a gig as a scout? I remember reading blogs for an amateur scout in the past and the guy got offered a role in the Isle's organization.
Well I already do scouting for an organization, but it's not a hockey team...it's only a draft publication.

All I can do is keep my head down and work, keep doing what I'm doing and hope to get noticed. One of my contacts actually gave me the email addresses of 5-8 NHL GM's and Heads of Scouting so I emailed them a few times last year with copies of my reports. Scott Howson in Columbus actually responded to me once, too.

I do get an offer basically once a month from various websites asking me to write for them but I don't have the time to be doing something like that. Scouting is what I really want to do, not writing.

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Except that Sgar actually works hard, digs puck out of corners, makes hits, looks like he's trying, etc etc

If anything, he sounds like a more offensively gifted Olver.
All these guys reportedly "work hard" or are "smart." It's said about all prospects like this that aren't viewed as a project. You never know how a player's game is going to translate to the NHL until they play against pros, and even then you have yet to see how well they will be able to maintain the style of play needed on a consistent basis.

Everyone thinks their favorite undersized forward is going to overcome their stature, or the smaller or lanky and less aggressive defenseman is going overcome everything because they're a hard worker, or their "smart."

In the end, it's a very very small percentage that become top line scorers, or top pairing defenseman. They're usually lucky to end up as 2nd line complimentary players, or 2nd pairing defenseman or PP specialists.

We'll have to see how the Avs prospects work themselves out in the next few years. They look promising, but working hard, or being gritty, or smart alone will not cut it. There's something that just doesn't come out in these guys until they're thrown into the fire and tested against NHL players.


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Thanks, didn't see that stuff.




Well I already do scouting for an organization, but it's not a hockey team...it's only a draft publication.

All I can do is keep my head down and work, keep doing what I'm doing and hope to get noticed. One of my contacts actually gave me the email addresses of 5-8 NHL GM's and Heads of Scouting so I emailed them a few times last year with copies of my reports. Scott Howson in Columbus actually responded to me once, too.

I do get an offer basically once a month from various websites asking me to write for them but I don't have the time to be doing something like that. Scouting is what I really want to do, not writing.
Absolutely agree. Scouting is just, pure enjoyment. For me it came down to either focus my time becoming a doctor or scout. Problem with scout is you're not always getting the job you want.

How was Howson? I do have a story like that. When I was still a goaler, I was sending my application to WHL teams for tryouts (you get a lot of PR people) and actually got one from Seattle for there main camp, in the end I chose the USHL route for a chance at college. But Willie Desjardins from Medicine Hat actually responded said that his team is set for goalers, but gave me a ton of info to help me out for future dub, AJHL/BCHL invites, and wanted to invite me for a futures camp (couldn't because of my age).

He just came off as one of the nicest people I've ever met in the hockey world.

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Absolutely agree. Scouting is just, pure enjoyment. For me it came down to either focus my time becoming a doctor or scout. Problem with scout is you're not always getting the job you want.

How was Howson? I do have a story like that. When I was still a goaler, I was sending my application to WHL teams for tryouts (you get a lot of PR people) and actually got one from Seattle for there main camp, in the end I chose the USHL route for a chance at college. But Willie Desjardins from Medicine Hat actually responded said that his team is set for goalers, but gave me a ton of info to help me out for future dub, AJHL/BCHL invites, and wanted to invite me for a futures camp (couldn't because of my age).

He just came off as one of the nicest people I've ever met in the hockey world.
Yeah Willie was always nice when I had to deal with him. He was actually a huge key to the Tigers signing a kid just recently. The kid is from Texas and Willie saw him (as he is coaching in Texas in the AHL) and suggested that the Tigers give him a shot.

Sure enough, they signed him and he's expected to see some decent minutes on their blueline this coming year.

The hockey world is actually pretty small when it comes to stuff like this.

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Yeah Willie was always nice when I had to deal with him. He was actually a huge key to the Tigers signing a kid just recently. The kid is from Texas and Willie saw him (as he is coaching in Texas in the AHL) and suggested that the Tigers give him a shot.

Sure enough, they signed him and he's expected to see some decent minutes on their blueline this coming year.

The hockey world is actually pretty small when it comes to stuff like this.
Did you follow Mike Green when he was in juniors? How do you think Elliot compares with Green? Do you think there's a chance Elliot can break out like Green did?

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Did you follow Mike Green when he was in juniors? How do you think Elliot compares with Green? Do you think there's a chance Elliot can break out like Green did?
Even if Elliott was a carbon copy of Green no way he will put up numbers like Green did, while with the Avs. Green had the benefit of a star studded offense that knew nothing but scoring. Having major point producers throughout the line-up opened up the ice for Green and others to score at will...not to mention they play in the less aggressive more open East as it is.

Love to see him adjust and tear it up but he has too many things missing in his environment to produce near what Green is expected to do with the Caps.

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Did you follow Mike Green when he was in juniors? How do you think Elliot compares with Green? Do you think there's a chance Elliot can break out like Green did?
Sorry never saw this.

They're similar, but also have their differences. Elliott is the better skater and is much better as a pure rusher of the puck. He's not as smart in his positioning as Green was and Green was known for being able to catch guys in the open ice with their heads down.

Green always had a cannon of a shot and that was one of his strengths. A big shot with a quick release. Elliott on the other hand hardly ever uses a slapshot and relies more on his quick wrister.

So they're both offensive defenders but they are just effective in different ways.

I actually wouldn't be shocked if Elliott one day posted seasons of 55 points, but it might be a few years down the road.

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Even if Elliott was a carbon copy of Green no way he will put up numbers like Green did, while with the Avs. Green had the benefit of a star studded offense that knew nothing but scoring. Having major point producers throughout the line-up opened up the ice for Green and others to score at will...not to mention they play in the less aggressive more open East as it is.

Love to see him adjust and tear it up but he has too many things missing in his environment to produce near what Green is expected to do with the Caps.
Green also played for the heavily offensive oriented caps and in the eastern conference, who are much more comfortable giving big minutes to offensive defenseman with defensive deficiencies, than teams in the West.

For most of his years Green was a top ten league wide ice time leader among defenseman. Elliott is going to have to develop his defensive game to at least Green's level, and probably higher for him to earn the ice time needed in the West to put up big points IMO.

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Sounds like we signed Mitchell Heard.
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Beauty, eh.

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