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07-31-2012, 05:00 PM
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I think i have been quoted like 3 or 4 times on this page already and neither time did the poster understand my quote. Im saying that, when a team is bad its not rare to see a player put up big points. Big points on a bad team is not an indication of that players performance.

When a team gets better, they emphasize more on two way play. When you do that you can't focus all your energy on one side of the ice. That is why guys like toews and richards and kesler are so valuable because they are able to bring it on both sides of the ice. Crosby and ovechkin are similar point producers but crosby is very responsible in his own zone and makes players better.

I will say i see eberle make his teammates better. But right now it is hard to evaluate him when 1. his team is not competitive enough and 2. He is asked to be more of a complete player.
Were any of the National teams he played for bad team as well?

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07-31-2012, 05:01 PM
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Did you bother reading the post that I was responding to? or do you just start shooting crap out for no reason?
I'll add it again and hopefully the second time it will sink in.
Im tyring to look at the players beyond a point evaluation. As a flyers fan i can say that points dont tell the whole story.

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07-31-2012, 05:01 PM
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Jordan Eberle wins you hockey games and damn near does it on his own. That team would have been at or below where Columbus was without Eberle last season.
So you're saying that Eberle is the difference between finishing 29th overall and finishing 30th overall.

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07-31-2012, 05:02 PM
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are we seriously trying to compare a hof defenceman to eberle?
A 22 year old Eberle has more value to the Oilers than a 35 year old Chara. What's so difficult to understand about that?

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07-31-2012, 05:03 PM
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Were any of the National teams he played for bad team as well?
INTL hockey and nhl performance are completely different.

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So you're saying that Eberle is the difference between finishing 29th overall and finishing 30th overall.
The poster is probably referring to the point totals. 5 less wins without Eberle sounds about right.

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07-31-2012, 05:31 PM
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Jordan Eberle wins you hockey games and damn near does it on his own. That team would have been at or below where Columbus was without Eberle last season.
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So you're saying that Eberle is the difference between finishing 29th overall and finishing 30th overall.
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The poster is probably referring to the point totals. 5 less wins without Eberle sounds about right.
Yeah I know - I was just trying to lighten the mood a little.

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07-31-2012, 05:48 PM
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Ouch - you really told me off. Listen up Einstein - fair or not Boston would not trade Seguin or Hamilton for Eberle. Seguin is the guy that this team will be built around in about 3 years from now. Everybody thinks this kid will be a superstar in the NHL so why would Boston ever think of trading him ???? As for Hamilton - refer to post # 89 for my explanation as to why Boston wouldn't trade him straight up for Eberle.
yeah i'm sure you really know what Boston managment would do... I certainly wasn't trying to say this was even a feasible scenario for either team. I don't want to see Eberle traded, the point is Eberle, Seguin, and Hamilton all have similar values. Eberle has done some exceptional things as a hockey player. It's not unreasonable to think that an Eberle to Boston deal is going to bring up names like this.

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07-31-2012, 05:53 PM
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Talk about being a hypocrite. I agree both for Eberle is certainly unfair, but take off YOUR homer glasses if you think a fair deal couldn't be made 1 for 1.
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Ouch - you really told me off. Listen up Einstein - fair or not Boston would not trade Seguin or Hamilton for Eberle. Seguin is the guy that this team will be built around in about 3 years from now. Everybody thinks this kid will be a superstar in the NHL so why would Boston ever think of trading him ???? As for Hamilton - refer to post # 89 for my explanation as to why Boston wouldn't trade him straight up for Eberle.
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yeah i'm sure you really know what Boston managment would do... I certainly wasn't trying to say this was even a feasible scenario for either team. I don't want to see Eberle traded, the point is Eberle, Seguin, and Hamilton all have similar values. Eberle has done some exceptional things as a hockey player. It's not unreasonable to think that an Eberle to Boston deal is going to bring up names like this.
So basically we're agreeing that while the value may be equal neither team would make this deal. So we're buds again ????

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07-31-2012, 05:57 PM
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So basically we're agreeing that while the value may be equal neither team would make this deal. So we're buds again ????
Haha sure why not.

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07-31-2012, 05:58 PM
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not sure about my interest in this but any way.

1) I hope all that is so the Bruins get their hands on Whitney.

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07-31-2012, 06:08 PM
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So basically we're agreeing that while the value may be equal neither team would make this deal. So we're buds again ????
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Haha sure why not.
Great - I'd say it was time for a group hug but then we're just getting into some strange territory.

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07-31-2012, 06:10 PM
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None of that makes any difference to his trade value at all. Or we could say, Chara has been a top 3 defenseman for the last 3-4 seasons at least, and likely will for another 3-5 seasons easily... so Chara >>>>>>>>> Eberle (which he is anyways).
Missed the last part of my post, you should have finished reading it before replying

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07-31-2012, 06:13 PM
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Eberle is god in Edmonton. He's treated like a moviestar and the fans would burn down the arena if he was traded.

Counter with

Gagner, Whitney and a 2nd(30-40 overall imo) for

Krejci and 2nd(45-60 imo)

Opens a spot for Klefbom, gets Whitney in Boston where it seems he'll end up eventually, very good upgrade to Gagner at 2C. And opens up a spot for Seguin to play C in the big league.

Value might be off here. Just throwing stuff out there.

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07-31-2012, 06:16 PM
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Krejci would be a good fit with Hemsky. They were linemates in WC this year in which both players produced very well. I bet they play together at some point in their careers.

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So you're countering a decent proposal with a terrible one.
I would say decent is in the eye of the beholder. In the eye of the Oilers the original offer was not decent either, which is exactly his point.

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07-31-2012, 06:30 PM
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If the oilers played in the central they would be the worst team in the league. 2nd, putting up large numbers on bad teams is not unusual. Simon gagne had a 40 goal season because he was the only player on the flyers who could score. He literally had to shoot every time he had the puck.
Definately sounds like a similar situation to playing with RNH and 1 of Hall/Hemsky/Smyth and in the future Yakupov. Oh wait it doesnt at all.

Not to mention players like Horc and Smyth getting 20-22 minutes a game while Eberle was at 18

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Oilers need a player more like lucic than krejci

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Boston
Jordan Eberle
Ryan Whitney

Edmonton
David Krejci
2013 1st round pick
2014 1st round pick
Johnny Boychuk
Jordan Caron/Jared Knight

I think Edmonton gets some really nice pieces here for their team that add versatility, cost certainty, and toughness that go along way towards making them a more complete team and a contender for a Stanley Cup.

:-)
Ouch .. I like Eberle but not for that price maybe your overvaluing Whitney here ... sure Edmonton fans will say No to this .. but how is it that Krejci Ryan Sharp are all VERY close in Value but Eberle is this much better Krejci +++ or Sharp +++ or Ryan +++ and it should be 4 plus signs cause Whitney would not fetch any of those picks or prospects from any team with his history lately

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PK Subban is now the second most over rated player in Canada!

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Ouch .. I like Eberle but not for that price maybe your overvaluing Whitney here ... sure Edmonton fans will say No to this .. but how is it that Krejci Ryan Sharp are all VERY close in Value but Eberle is this much better Krejci +++ or Sharp +++ or Ryan +++ and it should be 4 plus signs cause Whitney would not fetch any of those picks or prospects from any team with his history lately
If anything, Whitney's value is really low. And the late 1st's are overvalued.

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PK Subban is now the second most over rated player in Canada!
Karlsson has been #1 all off season. So I'm not sure what you're getting at?

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Not an absolutely terrible proposal but I'll counter with:


Seguin
McQuaid


Gagner
2013 1st
Nick Schultz
David Musil

Edit: before 20 more people quote this post...I know proposal is bad, I was offering a package similar to the OP. Value/quality going one way, quantity of lower value pieces going the other way.
All this says is you having no clue of Value ... maybe your taking a shot at OP but don't insult us Krejci and Boychuk are miles ahead of this JOKE ... I wouldn't even trade Quaider for Whitney so get off your high horse bud !!

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lol I can't believe how many B's fan fell into skm's troll trap.

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Ouch .. I like Eberle but not for that price maybe your overvaluing Whitney here ... sure Edmonton fans will say No to this .. but how is it that Krejci Ryan Sharp are all VERY close in Value but Eberle is this much better Krejci +++ or Sharp +++ or Ryan +++ and it should be 4 plus signs cause Whitney would not fetch any of those picks or prospects from any team with his history lately
I actually didn't really value Whitney very highly here, but if we are shipping off Boychuk then we would need a D coming back and Whitney is the most realistic here and his salary would help offset the additional money Edmonton is taking on.

Eberle is definitley considerably more valuable than those you mentioned I think because he put up more points than all of them in his 21 year old season. That's impressive. He's got another year at cheap money and under the team's control for a few more to follow. Plus there is the upside factor with him. 70+ in his 2nd season. Who knows where he goes from here.

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