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Boston - Edmonton/Caution: Eberle to Boston

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07-31-2012, 09:00 PM
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This is REALLY bad for Edmonton.

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07-31-2012, 09:05 PM
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This. I would feel pretty badly if Chia traded Seguin, the kid is the B's future and the same goes for Eberle for Edmonton. There is no need for the Bruins or Edmonton to trade either of their young and upcoming stars. I just dont't see the reason for this kind of proposal and what is included for the B's to give up.
Pretty much.

It's crazy, but I'd be borderline tears if they traded Ebs

I can imagine the Bruins have become pretty attached to Seguin as well.

It's just rare that a young player gets to play for his favorite team and then becomes an all-star at 20 years old.

Trading him is PR mayhem for the Oilers, and likely loss of a few jobs.

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07-31-2012, 09:06 PM
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Eberle > Seguin and there's no telling exactly how Hamilton will end up. Plus, Eberle loves being an Oiler and is basically a god in Edmonton
Seguin is 2 years younger than Eberle and already lead the Bruins in points. Lets see where Seguin is in 2 years when he hits 22?

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07-31-2012, 09:09 PM
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LMAO this package gets you an elite player along the lines of Datsyuk, Spezza, Kopitar... Eberle is not in those players' league
Nope, not even close. Fans of every single one of those teams would reject it instantly... Eberle included. You have to overpay to get higher-end talent.

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07-31-2012, 09:13 PM
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Although Boston is giving up more than they should, Eberle is Edmonton. He and Edmonton are a match. You'd be better off trying for Hall or Yakupov.

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any of you remember when edmonton owned the nhl? that came to an end when they started trading guys like eberle. as the saying goes, who ever gets the best player wins in a trade. we know it all too well in edmonton. Eberle is a regina boy and an oiler lifer. We have got unreal talent up and coming outside of the big 4, but unless its a seguin/hall type trade, i can't see it happening.

i honestly think eberle will be this years claude giroux


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07-31-2012, 09:15 PM
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Seguin is 2 years younger than Eberle and already lead the Bruins in points. Lets see where Seguin is in 2 years when he hits 22?
Eberle led his team in points, on a worse team.

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07-31-2012, 09:18 PM
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Eberle > Seguin and there's no telling exactly how Hamilton will end up. Plus, Eberle loves being an Oiler and is basically a god in Edmonton
Didn't realize he loves being an Oiler. That changes... nothing.

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Eberle led his team in points, on a worse team.
So he was the best out of a worse crop of talent?

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Eberle led his team in points, on a worse team.
That's not much of an endorsement. So he was the best of a bad lot. Seguin was the best of a great lot who were defending Cup champions. And he did it at age 20 (while Eberle is 2 years older).

And for the record - I'm a Habs fan who absolutely hates the Bruins with a passion.

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07-31-2012, 09:33 PM
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That's not much of an endorsement. So he was the best of a bad lot. Seguin was the best of a great lot who were defending Cup champions. And he did it at age 20 (while Eberle is 2 years older).

And for the record - I'm a Habs fan who absolutely hates the Bruins with a passion.
The fact Seguin is younger is a factor, but implying Eberle's season wasn't better because he was on a terrible team is wrong IMO.

There's nothing to take away from a 34 goal 76 point season while getting less than star-like minutes as a young player, regardless of how bad we were.

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Each one of those pieces holds more value than Boychuk on their own.


Whitney: hobbled dman, who cant manage to stay on the ice longer than a 10 game stretch...

Gagner: Smurf-sized center who would be Bostons 4th line center at the moment.

Sorry dude, Boychuk is FAR more valuable than either of those players

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Late July TwilightZone trade thread. Understandable. 'My young guns are better than your young buns'. GM Chiarelli would be exiled to the wilds of Yukon if he even considered original OP trade.

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The fact Seguin is younger is a factor, but implying Eberle's season wasn't better because he was on a terrible team is wrong IMO.

There's nothing to take away from a 34 goal 76 point season while getting less than star-like minutes as a young player, regardless of how bad we were.
Seguin got less average minutes / game than Eberle last season. So not only is he 2 years younger, and lead his cup contending team in points but he also did with less minutes / game than Eberle...

Still want to stick to your assertion that Eberle > Seguin or maybe do you want to back off that a bit?

Lets not forget that Seguin is bigger than Eberle, more physical and is a centerman - a position that holds more value than a winger.

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07-31-2012, 09:38 PM
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Late July TwilightZone trade thread. Understandable. 'My young guns are better than your young buns'. GM Chiarelli would be exiled to the wilds of Yukon if he even considered original OP trade.
could be worse,, we could be Leaf fans and have no "young guns"

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07-31-2012, 09:39 PM
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Pass, we are not moving eberle unless we get seguin

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So he was the best out of a worse crop of talent?
Even if Seguin was on the oilers, Eberle would still have more points than him. Leading your team with 67 points, isn't very impressive IMO.

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Even if Seguin was on the oilers, Eberle would still have more points than him. Leading your team with 67 points, isn't very impressive IMO.
Eberle was playing junior hockey his second season after being drafted...

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Seguin got less average minutes / game than Eberle last season. So not only is he 2 years younger, and lead his cup contending team in points but he also did with less minutes / game than Eberle...

Still want to stick to your assertion that Eberle > Seguin or maybe do you want to back off that a bit?

Lets not forget that Seguin is bigger than Eberle, more physical and is a centerman - a position that holds more value than a winger.
he played rw like eberle, how many games did seguin truly play as a center

also 9 more points in 3 fewer games on a weaker team is quite an impressive margin considering how there both in there 2nd yr...the overvaluing of seguin is getting about as bad as oiler fans overvalue prospects at times on these boards

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Even if Seguin was on the oilers, Eberle would still have more points than him. Leading your team with 67 points, isn't very impressive IMO.
Leading the defending Cup Champs in scoring vs. leading a cellar dwellar team in scoring is a huge difference mate. In Boston, minutes arent handed out like penny candy, minutes are earned.

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Seguin got less average minutes / game than Eberle last season. So not only is he 2 years younger, and lead his cup contending team in points but he also did with less minutes / game than Eberle...

Still want to stick to your assertion that Eberle > Seguin or maybe do you want to back off that a bit?

Lets not forget that Seguin is bigger than Eberle, more physical and is a centerman - a position that holds more value than a winger.
Calm down, have never once said Eberle > Seguin.

The rest of the argument isn't that convincing. More physical? That one is weak. Bigger? Who cares?

Eberle had 46 hits last year, which isn't much, but was nearly DOUBLE the amount of hits that Seguin had at 26.

Did you want to back up on that part? Come on, at least look it up before you make up random stuff.

All of this talk about physicality, hitting, position, etc. is meaningless, both are GREAT players and both teams love thier young stars.

End of story, neither team is trading them.

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07-31-2012, 09:54 PM
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Leading the defending Cup Champs in scoring vs. leading a cellar dwellar team in scoring is a huge difference mate. In Boston, minutes arent handed out like penny candy, minutes are earned.
You have to admit, you can argue that point both ways.

Ok, Seguin gets less minutes on a good team = less prime minutes.

Well, if they are a VASTLY better team, they should have a better PP, more productive offense, etc. and he should be able to produce playing with better players.

It's not exacly a winning argument either way, but perspective changes based on what side you are on and both have merit.

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You have to admit, you can argue that point both ways.

Ok, Seguin gets less minutes on a good team = less prime minutes.

Well, if they are a VASTLY better team, they should have a better PP, more productive offense, etc. and he should be able to produce playing with better players.

It's not exacly a winning argument either way, but perspective changes based on what side you are on and both have merit.
I wish i had patience to look up stats: TOI, PP minutes, etc...

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You have to admit, you can argue that point both ways.

Ok, Seguin gets less minutes on a good team = less prime minutes.

Well, if they are a VASTLY better team, they should have a better PP, more productive offense, etc. and he should be able to produce playing with better players.

It's not exacly a winning argument either way, but perspective changes based on what side you are on and both have merit.
I must admit you are one of the more reasonable oiler fans in this thread however. Lets agree that Oilers keep Eberle, B's keep Seguin..everybody is happy

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I wish i had patience to look up stats: TOI, PP minutes, etc...
Ya, I'm bored but not THAT bored right now.

I'd venture a guess Eberle has more TOI and PP minutes, but it's tough to value how the quality of those minutes relates to each other.

Does Seguin have an advantage playing with better players?

The Bruins have 2-3 lines that can score, so it's harder to defend which could help as well. Oilers have much less secondary offense, so the other teams best defenders can shut down one line. That being said, the Oilers tended to shelter the young kids from the Charas of the world.

Either way, all of these are weaker arguments.

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