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View Poll Results: Who is the Canucks #12 Prospect?
Ben Hutton 0 0%
Wesley Myron 0 0%
Ludwig Blomstrand 0 0%
Matthew Beattie 1 0.87%
Steven Anthony 1 0.87%
Peter Andersson 0 0%
Kellan Tochkin 1 0.87%
Alexandre Mallet 22 19.13%
David Honzik 0 0%
Yann Sauve 19 16.52%
Joseph Labate 46 40.00%
Bill Sweatt 7 6.09%
Prab Rai 3 2.61%
Alex Friesen 10 8.70%
Pathrik Westerholm 1 0.87%
Adam Polasek 2 1.74%
Jeremy Price 0 0%
Henrik Tommernes 1 0.87%
Alex Grenier 0 0%
Darren Archibald 1 0.87%
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08-01-2012, 02:56 AM
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Simple... the first was someone who would've been a 2nd rounder if he didn't say he was going to college for 4 years. Thats why he dropped. The other had an outstanding year of development. Finally the 2012 2nd rounder was picked off the board a bit. He was ranked ~100th (mid 3rd round). Of course 'nucks staff seem to have him ranked higher and he does have a lot of upside. Next year, he could go much higher in the votes depending on how the year goes (just like Lebate would've been a lot lower if the vote was last year vs this year).
What was Mcnally projected as talent wise?

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Went with LaBate here. I've been really high on his potential since I watched a few of his games last year, great speed for his size, hard shot, massive body with the potential to become a monster, makes solid defensive plays, can play center or wing, not as physical as he could be but we can teach him that. I think he could become a poor man's Trevor Linden with his potential. 50 point producer, great defensively with offensive flair and a guy who you are fine with putting out in the last minutes of a game leading by 1.

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What was Mcnally projected as talent wise?
He's projected as a solid top-4 offensive D-man, sorta comparable to Mark Streit (his idol as well). He dropped down the rankings because teams didn't like that he was going to college for the full term

Edit: Didn't see that the guy you quoted already explained why he dropped. It's interesting though because some scouts had LaBate in the 2nd, but he too dropped because of taking the college route.

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08-01-2012, 03:46 AM
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He's projected as a solid top-4 offensive D-man, sorta comparable to Mark Streit (his idol as well). He dropped down the rankings because teams didn't like that he was going to college for the full term

Edit: Didn't see that the guy you quoted already explained why he dropped. It's interesting though because some scouts had LaBate in the 2nd, but he too dropped because of taking the college route.
Yeah both were drafted out of highschool as well, teams probably questioned the quality of comp. Both could turn out to be gems though. And if not it's nice to develop depth players through the system.

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Yeah both were drafted out of highschool as well, teams probably questioned the quality of comp. Both could turn out to be gems though. And if not it's nice to develop depth players through the system.
This is why I'm excited about Matt Beattie too, he absolutely dominated in High School, but the quality of competition wasn't that great; however, I find it hard to believe that a guy could absolutely dominate so effortlessly without having a good amount of skill and potential. I'm looking forward to seeing how he does in his freshman year.

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What was Mcnally projected as talent wise?
- Pure offensive dman
- QB PP
- Very smart player
- Good shot and good passer
- Leadership qualities

- Lack defensive game (not uncommon for a prospect, that often comes with development/over time)
- Not physical

In terms of pure skill, i believe he was ranked ~40 before the draft and someone who might have been taken off the board late first but because he said he was going the college route for 4 years, a lot of teams passed on him (multiple times). 'nucks picked him with their 1st pick (which was in the 4th round) so even with the argument of draft position, you could argue he's a 1st rounder for the 'nucks given it was our first pick.

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Interesting that Sauve and Sweatt, some of the few prospects that have played in the NHL, are not getting picked.

I guess the sexy new guys are more impressive to some fans, though.
This is because both guys - especially Sweatt - look to be plateauing is average-ish AHL players who have little chance of being quality contributors at the NHL level for this franchise.

Sweatt is already 24, and is a 35-point player in the AHL. After his rookie season, you hoped maybe he could break through to become a Hansen-type 3rd line winger, but that simply didn't happen and he regressed if anything. Looked smaller than his listed size and completely mediocre in his callup last year. Easily pushed off the puck and out of the play.

Sauve is a defensive defender who struggles making decisions and reading the play defensively. That's not a promising situation, although he at least is a couple years younger than Sweatt so has a bit more time.

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As for the voting here, really a toss-up at this point - McNally/Labate/Mallet are really hard to rank against each other because they all play different positions at different amateur levels and appear to be similar-level prospects.

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This is because both guys - especially Sweatt - look to be plateauing is average-ish AHL players who have little chance of being quality contributors at the NHL level for this franchise.

Sweatt is already 24, and is a 35-point player in the AHL. After his rookie season, you hoped maybe he could break through to become a Hansen-type 3rd line winger, but that simply didn't happen and he regressed if anything. Looked smaller than his listed size and completely mediocre in his callup last year. Easily pushed off the puck and out of the play.


Sauve is a defensive defender who struggles making decisions and reading the play defensively. That's not a promising situation, although he at least is a couple years younger than Sweatt so has a bit more time.
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I went Sauve over the newer prospects - he has size, and skills, and a major injury/accident slowed him down, but didn't stop his development.


in addition to the above quote, Sweatt being a forward and Sauve a D man - gives Sauve an additional 2 years or more at least before he'd be considered topped out in development. His useful life as a player as a defensive Dman can generally extend further into his 30's once he's developed compared to a forward.

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I went Sauve over the newer prospects - he has size, and skills, and a major injury/accident slowed him down, but didn't stop his development.


in addition to the above quote, Sweatt being a forward and Sauve a D man - gives Sauve an additional 2 years or more at least before he'd be considered topped out in development. His useful life as a player as a defensive Dman can generally extend further into his 30's once he's developed compared to a forward.
Sauve's problem is that he's a defensive defender who has poor hockey sense and is very anticipating and reacting to the play. That's not a combination that leads to a successful NHL career.

I don't see very much likelihood where he's anything better than a David Hale-type #6-7 banger who plays very sheltered minutes. No upside there whatsoever.

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Let's close up shop here and move on to #13

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