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07-31-2012, 04:43 PM
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Well apparently this was a thread already, I'm sure whatever I did has been said. Also, didn't include Oshie because he wasn't technically born in MN, but would like to.

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I'd be happy if the NHL moved to a regional draft, but I'm thinking the Florida and California teams are going to block it. . . .

And until that happens, this kind of thread is pointless.

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I'd be happy if the NHL moved to a regional draft, but I'm thinking the Florida and California teams are going to block it. . . .

And until that happens, this kind of thread is pointless.
Nothing's pointless in the off-season. I think it's fun to look at how much talent Minnesota has produced.

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Well apparently this was a thread already, I'm sure whatever I did has been said. Also, didn't include Oshie because he wasn't technically born in MN, but would like to.
Lol yeah I had no idea this was a thread already

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It is only good business to have local talent in the team when the area actually produces players, the people will expect it.
I dont know if it is every local boys dream like Parise said but for sure to some it is.

And Minnesota easily has appeal to Scandinavian players as an nice place to live, im certain the Finns love it.
You have a pool of players that would like to play there if the organisation is first class, and it is, that cant hurt.

Great future ahead.

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What's the best lineup you can make with current NHL players from only Minnesota
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Mike Lee. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/draft2...ott&id=4291769 I really hope he does well, man. I have high hopes for him being a Husky and all. Saw him take Roseau all the way to the Big Dance on his back.

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Mike Lee. http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/draft2...ott&id=4291769 I really hope he does well, man. I have high hopes for him being a Husky and all. Saw him take Roseau all the way to the Big Dance on his back.
Yeah Mike Lee has a chance, he did pretty well at the WJC a couple years back and he seemed to put it all together at SCSU this year when he was healthy.

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Yeah Mike Lee has a chance, he did pretty well at the WJC a couple years back and he seemed to put it all together at SCSU this year when he was healthy.
Really wish he would have stayed. I think he starts the year in the ECHL but I hope he makes it.

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Brock Nelson is going pro with NYI. This is a kid with a ton of potential. Bjugstad gets all the press but Brock could easily be a big time NHL player, too.

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Brock Nelson is going pro with NYI. This is a kid with a ton of potential. Bjugstad gets all the press but Brock could easily be a big time NHL player, too.
I watched him in the big dance as well when he was with Warroad. Kid definitely stood out and he was only a sophomore if I remember correctly. Big, fast, talented.

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I watched him in the big dance as well when he was with Warroad. Kid definitely stood out and he was only a sophomore if I remember correctly. Big, fast, talented.
If I recall correctly, his bleached blonde 'do turned out incredibly orange for the Tourney.

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Muck is correct...

Warroad bleached their hair and looked more like a bright orange than the blonde they were hoping for. Although, who really cared when they won state? I know I wouldn't really care if I had just won state or if that was my alma mater. Its their team, that's what they wanted to do they did it and won besides. Good for them. I love it when Warroad and Roseau win. Especially if it comes at the expense of some metro area private school.

But anywho, back to the topic at hand...

Sort of like the point about Warroad's hair color, the same goes for this thread. Why does it and should it matter?

Putting together a list of Minnesotans as a way to try to 'create' an All-Minnesota team is cute, if I was 5 years old and perhaps still impressed by that. I'm not anymore. You can waste time filling out lineups, etc and it doesn't really matter. Its not like we'll ever see a team like that.

Its irrelevant. If the Wild (or any team) cares more about where a player is from than his actual talents then they have their priorities screwed up. When the Golden Gophers won their national title in 2002 I could careless that the game winner was scored by a kid from North Dakota. Nor did I care one bit that the 2003 team was led by a kid from Austria. The Gophers won, and that's all that mattered to me.

As far as the poster feeling attacked goes. I have to admit, it made me when I saw it described that way. So without any prompting from the officials at large I'll toss this 3-piece version of advice. You can do the following:

1. You can stop posting and leave, and preserve your feelings from perhaps being 'attacked' again.

2. You can continue to whine and be isolated by the community of posters that you have joined when you signed up here.

3. You can suck up your personal feelings and push your 'discomfort' aside, because for kripes' sake its a message board and deal with it and continue to post as per usual.

I am not going to tell you what to do, but if you're looking for an apology I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Probably about the same time it takes for Canucks to win a Stanley Cup.

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Warroad bleached their hair and looked more like a bright orange than the blonde they were hoping for. Although, who really cared when they won state? I know I wouldn't really care if I had just won state or if that was my alma mater. Its their team, that's what they wanted to do they did it and won besides. Good for them. I love it when Warroad and Roseau win. Especially if it comes at the expense of some metro area private school.

But anywho, back to the topic at hand...

Sort of like the point about Warroad's hair color, the same goes for this thread. Why does it and should it matter?

Putting together a list of Minnesotans as a way to try to 'create' an All-Minnesota team is cute, if I was 5 years old and perhaps still impressed by that. I'm not anymore. You can waste time filling out lineups, etc and it doesn't really matter. Its not like we'll ever see a team like that.

Its irrelevant. If the Wild (or any team) cares more about where a player is from than his actual talents then they have their priorities screwed up. When the Golden Gophers won their national title in 2002 I could careless that the game winner was scored by a kid from North Dakota. Nor did I care one bit that the 2003 team was led by a kid from Austria. The Gophers won, and that's all that mattered to me.

As far as the poster feeling attacked goes. I have to admit, it made me when I saw it described that way. So without any prompting from the officials at large I'll toss this 3-piece version of advice. You can do the following:

1. You can stop posting and leave, and preserve your feelings from perhaps being 'attacked' again.

2. You can continue to whine and be isolated by the community of posters that you have joined when you signed up here.

3. You can suck up your personal feelings and push your 'discomfort' aside, because for kripes' sake its a message board and deal with it and continue to post as per usual.

I am not going to tell you what to do, but if you're looking for an apology I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Probably about the same time it takes for Canucks to win a Stanley Cup.
This is a minnesota message board. This is the summer. Quit being a little *****. I'm not 5 years old either but its something to talk about and kind of interesting. Why does anyone put up a lineup when its not them making the final decision of who plays where. Thats up to the coach so is that just irrelevant too? This whole board and any other like it is irrelevant because our OPINIONS and thoughts do not matter to the NHL. Quit being a downer man and have some fun talking about hockey even if the topic isn't the most realistic.

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Just let him vent. Obvious he had a bad day. His boss probably yelled at him and he just needs to blow off steam.

Pretend fun time exists in all facets of life. I'm not joining in. But I don't get all riled up over it either. So... Get over it?

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I really do think that from marketing perspective a Minnesota team without natives is weaker than the one that has.

It is good business and helps pay for the team.


Other thing is drafting, you take the best you can but they still should fit the organisation and the culture.

Gaborik didnt fit, he wanted the big city lights.

Koivu did fit, he doesnt care for the spotlights.

UFAs are the interesting point, we just got two, many players have connections to the area even if not locals, like Heatley.

This can be a factor in the future, its next best thing to being a original six team if the organisations is run like it is now.

Flame away, im a happy homer, we got them both!

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Warroad bleached their hair and looked more like a bright orange than the blonde they were hoping for. Although, who really cared when they won state? I know I wouldn't really care if I had just won state or if that was my alma mater. Its their team, that's what they wanted to do they did it and won besides. Good for them. I love it when Warroad and Roseau win. Especially if it comes at the expense of some metro area private school.

But anywho, back to the topic at hand...

Sort of like the point about Warroad's hair color, the same goes for this thread. Why does it and should it matter?

Putting together a list of Minnesotans as a way to try to 'create' an All-Minnesota team is cute, if I was 5 years old and perhaps still impressed by that. I'm not anymore. You can waste time filling out lineups, etc and it doesn't really matter. Its not like we'll ever see a team like that.

Its irrelevant. If the Wild (or any team) cares more about where a player is from than his actual talents then they have their priorities screwed up. When the Golden Gophers won their national title in 2002 I could careless that the game winner was scored by a kid from North Dakota. Nor did I care one bit that the 2003 team was led by a kid from Austria. The Gophers won, and that's all that mattered to me.

As far as the poster feeling attacked goes. I have to admit, it made me when I saw it described that way. So without any prompting from the officials at large I'll toss this 3-piece version of advice. You can do the following:

1. You can stop posting and leave, and preserve your feelings from perhaps being 'attacked' again.

2. You can continue to whine and be isolated by the community of posters that you have joined when you signed up here.

3. You can suck up your personal feelings and push your 'discomfort' aside, because for kripes' sake its a message board and deal with it and continue to post as per usual.

I am not going to tell you what to do, but if you're looking for an apology I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Probably about the same time it takes for Canucks to win a Stanley Cup.
1. You can ignore the thread and not post in it.
2. You can decide to participate in the thread and post something constructive.
3. You can push your "hatred for life" aside and let other people enjoy this topic, because for kripes' sake its a message baoard.

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Warroad bleached their hair and looked more like a bright orange than the blonde they were hoping for. Although, who really cared when they won state? I know I wouldn't really care if I had just won state or if that was my alma mater. Its their team, that's what they wanted to do they did it and won besides. Good for them. I love it when Warroad and Roseau win. Especially if it comes at the expense of some metro area private school.

But anywho, back to the topic at hand...

Sort of like the point about Warroad's hair color, the same goes for this thread. Why does it and should it matter?

Putting together a list of Minnesotans as a way to try to 'create' an All-Minnesota team is cute, if I was 5 years old and perhaps still impressed by that. I'm not anymore. You can waste time filling out lineups, etc and it doesn't really matter. Its not like we'll ever see a team like that.

Its irrelevant. If the Wild (or any team) cares more about where a player is from than his actual talents then they have their priorities screwed up. When the Golden Gophers won their national title in 2002 I could careless that the game winner was scored by a kid from North Dakota. Nor did I care one bit that the 2003 team was led by a kid from Austria. The Gophers won, and that's all that mattered to me.

As far as the poster feeling attacked goes. I have to admit, it made me when I saw it described that way. So without any prompting from the officials at large I'll toss this 3-piece version of advice. You can do the following:

1. You can stop posting and leave, and preserve your feelings from perhaps being 'attacked' again.

2. You can continue to whine and be isolated by the community of posters that you have joined when you signed up here.

3. You can suck up your personal feelings and push your 'discomfort' aside, because for kripes' sake its a message board and deal with it and continue to post as per usual.

I am not going to tell you what to do, but if you're looking for an apology I think you'll be waiting a very long time. Probably about the same time it takes for Canucks to win a Stanley Cup.
Bitter much? I understand your frustration. Comparing Minnesota hockey to Wisconsin hockey is like comparing a diamond to a cubic zirconia, but at least you guys have the Packers.

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Are other markets this...desperate (not exactly the word I was looking for) for native players on their team? I don't read much local media stuff for other teams, so I really don't know.

To me it seems like a Minnesota exclusive quirk that we seem to always highlight when a Minnesotan athlete does or is competing something. Is it like this elsewhere, or is it a symptom of constantly being overlooked by larger media markets?

Personally, it kind of rubs me the wrong way, but overall, I try to take Generic_User's approach as described above.

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Are other markets this...desperate (not exactly the word I was looking for) for native players on their team? I don't read much local media stuff for other teams, so I really don't know.

To me it seems like a Minnesota exclusive quirk that we seem to always highlight when a Minnesotan athlete does or is competing something. Is it like this elsewhere, or is it a symptom of constantly being overlooked by larger media markets?

Personally, it kind of rubs me the wrong way, but overall, I try to take Generic_User's approach as described above.
Generally speaking, we Minnesotans are an insecure bunch. We take it really personal when labeled as "fly over country". We LOVE it whenever the national spotlight is focused on us, for even a second. And as it pertains to Minnesota born/raised hockey players (or athletes, in general), we are EXTREMELY provincial. We really take pride when a home town boy (or girl) is successful so we can claim them as "our own" and dream of them one day bringing glory to the home state.


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Bitter much? I understand your frustration. Comparing Minnesota hockey to Wisconsin hockey is like comparing a diamond to a cubic zirconia, but at least you guys have the Packers.
You're barking up the wrong tree here. Unless you think everyone on the wrong side of the St. Croix was born here.

As for the provincialism, one has three options:

1.) Ignore it
2.) Allow (or force) yourself to be bothered by it
3.) Accept it and have fun with it

Personally I'd go with option 3, but to each their own. Regardless, the obsession with Minnesota-born/raised/tangentially-related players is part of the state's "hockey culture" and isn't going away. We can spend hours discussing why it is or how it happened, but there will always be dreams of the prodigal sons returning and leading the local team to national glory. The only reason to let yourself be bothered by it is if you enjoy being bothered by things, which for some reason seems to be pretty commonplace online.

(And of course all of the above applies to the "Minny" thing as well. Same 3 options.)

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One of these days the Wild will score big with a local kid they drafted in the 3rd-7th round, because they had the opportunity to know him and his game better than everybody else. That'll be the day to be very proud of the home field advantage.

Mario Lucia might be that kid, even tho he was late second round, because the Wild moved up to get him. Or maybe it'll be John Draeger. We'll see.

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You're barking up the wrong tree here.
No I'm not. Just reiterating a fact. See: http://www.ushsho.com/ushsrank.htm Basically our all-state team could beat the all-America team in the 15-18 age group.
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2.) Allow (or force) yourself to be bothered by it
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Depending on the situation I might feel/react any of these three options.
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Personally I'd go with option 3, but to each their own. Regardless, the obsession with Minnesota-born/raised/tangentially-related players is part of the state's "hockey culture" and isn't going away. We can spend hours discussing why it is or how it happened, but there will always be dreams of the prodigal sons returning and leading the local team to national glory. The only reason to let yourself be bothered by it is if you enjoy being bothered by things, which for some reason seems to be pretty commonplace online.

(And of course all of the above applies to the "Minny" thing as well. Same 3 options.)
It's just an interesting topic regardless. It's not a matter of being bothered but imagining what our "all state" team would look like and if they could compete with any other NHL team competing in the league. I think we're the only state in the Union that can say that. 2cents


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One of these days the Wild will score big with a local kid they drafted in the 3rd-7th round, because they had the opportunity to know him and his game better than everybody else. That'll be the day to be very proud of the home field advantage.

Mario Lucia might be that kid, even tho he was late second round, because the Wild moved up to get him. Or maybe it'll be John Draeger. We'll see.
Minnesota kid or not, I think Lucia has the size and skill to be a top prospect. I'm really excited to see how he does this season at Notre Dame.

But to your first point, I complete agree....while I realize that other teams have scouts trolling the Minnesota HS (and even youth) scenes trying to find those diamonds in the rough, the difference is that Brent Flahr and Chuck Fletcher, themselves, can also get out to watch these kids - so this organization really does have a leg up over others when it comes to evaluating Minnesota kids and why it shouldn't really come as a surprise when we see them being drafted. I can agree that Nanne might have been a "PR" pick, but I think John Draeger and Nick Seeler were chosen more because of intensive scouting than anything else. They aren't just shooting in the dark (ala Eero Elo).

They also have the benefit of inviting some of the local top talent to the developmental camp at really no expense to the players (who might be college bound) for some additional scouting opportunities.

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No I'm not. Just reiterating a fact.
I don't dispute the validity of what you said. I just don't see the point in throwing it out there when LiG is from Minnesota, not Wisconsin.

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It is interesting though since we're on the subject that Wisconsin has a bigger population but lags so far behind Minnesota in their system's production of players. I know Minnesota being the coldest state in the Union has a little to do with it and once you get to Duluth and northwest of Duluth it's hockey central, but you would still think Wisconsin would hold their own with the likes of Michigan.

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