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08-01-2012, 11:31 AM
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Jbo, Stempniak and Ortio for Flip, Ericsson and 5th

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rather do

Jbo, Stempniak and Ortio for Flip, Ericsson and 5th
Who's Ortio?

Sounds good though.

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your nuts if you think Fil for JBO is overpayment. I would take this and run.
Quite the opposite actually, you would need to add. Flames are not trading Bouwmeester for Filppula straight up.

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Quite the opposite actually, you would need to add. Flames are not trading Bouwmeester for Filppula straight up.
That's good because the wings aren't trading flip for jbo straight up either.

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Quite the opposite actually, you would need to add. Flames are not trading Bouwmeester for Filppula straight up.
Jbo, Stempniak and Ortio for Flip, Ericsson and Tootoo

Goes both ways, 1 quality player + 2 dump offs who could use new surroundings each.

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08-01-2012, 12:49 PM
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Filppula for 3.0mill >>> JBo for 6.680

JBo has regressed year after year in physicality. He doesnt hit nearly as much he did playing for Panthers anymore, he shoots half the amount he did etc. Taking JBo at 6.68 is a gamble - Filppula for 3.0 is a steal. No way I`d do the trade...

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Jbo, Stempniak and Ortio for Flip, Ericsson and Tootoo

Goes both ways, 1 quality player + 2 dump offs who could use new surroundings each.
Ericsson is the only defensive defenseman the Wings have, there is no chance they are trading him without getting one back in the deal. Bouwmeester is a decent puck mover but I don't think he fills Ericsson's Defensive role.

Why would Tootoo need new surroundings, he hasn't played a single game with the Wings and was probably the best offseason acquisition the team made.

I don't see any reason the Wings would even entertain trading Flip for Bouwmeester he's not the answer to the Wings problems and he's overpaid as well.

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08-01-2012, 02:06 PM
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Jbo, Stempniak and Ortio for Flip, Ericsson and Tootoo

Goes both ways, 1 quality player + 2 dump offs who could use new surroundings each.
JBo is the fall back option for the Wings.

Ericsson is the only proven defense-first guy the Wings have right now. Let me educate you: Kronwall is good, but likes to pinch in for opportunities and big hits. White is a good complementary defensemen to someone like Lidstrom or a player who can eat minutes(Quincey), but is pretty average in a lot of respects. Quincey eats minutes and was just signed. Smith is a rookie. Kindl can't stay up in the lineup, is basically the seventh man.

This trade would never happen because the Wings also just signed Tootoo, if your team wanted him, they should have picked him up in FA.

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08-01-2012, 02:08 PM
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Jbo, Stempniak, Stajan for Filppula and Quincey?

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08-01-2012, 02:10 PM
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Who's Ortio?

Sounds good though.
Ortio is one of our Prospect goaltenders. Had a bit of an off season in the AHL this year, but he has a good pedigree and has NHL upside, not a sure shot or anything but a good prospect.

As for the proposal, I think its decent. Would not be ecstatic but wouldn't but upset with it either.

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Jbo, Stempniak, Stajan for Filppula and Quincey?
That would be sweet
Make it happen right meow

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08-01-2012, 02:21 PM
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Jbo, Stempniak, Stajan for Filppula and Quincey?
This one is tougher(and more realistic) and could get it done. I think the Wings might explore other options first, as I don't see the market for JBo moving in any kind of serious direction soon, but this feels like a good old-fashioned hockey deal.

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This one is tougher(and more realistic) and could get it done. I think the Wings might explore other options first, as I don't see the market for JBo moving in any kind of serious direction soon, but this feels like a good old-fashioned hockey deal.
Even though Stemps just resigned, I could see them asking him if he would mind be traded. I mean the Wings are a great organization, who wouldn't want to play there?

I would absolutely do that deal.

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That's good because the wings aren't trading flip for jbo straight up either.
Yeah except the rumour is the wings alreqdy offered filpula+ so....

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the most likely reason we signed stemps was because feaster wasn't sure if Hudler would sign with us. now if we trade for Flip stemps becomes the odd man out.

Bouwmeester, Stempniak and ortio for Flip, Ericsson and 5th is fair IMHO if detroit wants to add Emmerton as a player dump so be it.

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I don't see room for Stempniak on our roster. We have basically 16 forwards already, we are going to cut some. IF we are going after forward, it has to be legit top6er. Rather give that spot to one of our kids than Stempniak.

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08-01-2012, 03:07 PM
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Yeah except the rumour is the wings alreqdy offered filpula+ so....
That rumor was proving to be false, if the wings had offered it & it was accepted I would question if I would watch a single game this year. The wings do not need another PMD, especially at the cost of their 3rd best forward, we need either a top pairing shutdown guy or a top 4 shutdown guy. If Jbo used his size more often or was able to shutdown other teams top lines I would move Filp for him, unfortunately he has proven he can't so unless he's coming to us for something cheap I hope we stay away.

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Let's just change this to Sarich for Emmerton and a 5th and call it a day.

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08-01-2012, 04:10 PM
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Filppula for 3.0mill >>> JBo for 6.680

JBo has regressed year after year in physicality. He doesnt hit nearly as much he did playing for Panthers anymore, he shoots half the amount he did etc. Taking JBo at 6.68 is a gamble - Filppula for 3.0 is a steal. No way I`d do the trade...
Your point being? Filppula is in the final year of his contract and will undoubtedly be looking for a long term deal at a high dollar amount moving forward.

If I am Calgary, I dont make this trade unless Quincey is involved or Filppula comes with an extension.

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08-01-2012, 04:25 PM
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That rumor was proving to be false, if the wings had offered it & it was accepted I would question if I would watch a single game this year. The wings do not need another PMD, especially at the cost of their 3rd best forward, we need either a top pairing shutdown guy or a top 4 shutdown guy. If Jbo used his size more often or was able to shutdown other teams top lines I would move Filp for him, unfortunately he has proven he can't so unless he's coming to us for something cheap I hope we stay away.
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08-01-2012, 10:05 PM
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Calgary fans seem to be vastly overestimating Bouwmeester's value. If we were talking the Florida incarnation of Bouwmeester, this may not be the case; but we are not talking about that. We are speaking of the Calgary Bouwmeester, the one who has continually failed to live up to expectations, the one who supposedly made Phaneuf expendable but has failed utterly to fill the space left by the latter's departure. Bouwmeester is average defensively and, one could argue, below average offensively. His main virtues are that he's durable and that he can eat minutes while playing decent (read: DECENT) hockey.

This guy isn't even worth Filppula to Detroit, let alone Quincey and Filppula. Bad penalties aside, Quincey is possibly superior to Bouwmeester in his own end, and he's certainly superior to him in the offensive zone. He's not as durable and he can't play as many minutes, but those two qualities are all that Bouwmeester has on him.

No thanks on this trade. If Calgary fans think that Bouwmeester is so valuable, then they should certainly keep him. But they may want to question why they suddenly think so well of a guy they've been harshly criticizing for the past two seasons.


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Yeah except the rumour is the wings alreqdy offered filpula+ so....
That rumor is from a certain completely unreliable source who is apparently so bad that his name is censored on these forums.

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I can see that you really wish that the rumor were true.

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I can see that you really wish that the rumor were true.
Or maybe I thought it was proven false?

Defensive much.

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