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08-01-2012, 02:08 PM
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Don't give him a long term deal but for 2 years, 5.5M is low for sure. He's already shown his worth 4+M for each year.

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08-01-2012, 02:11 PM
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http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/345436.html

According to RDS, Habs are offering a two year contract for 5,5 million (total). PK wants a long term contract.


I think Habs should bonify their offer in terms of $$$, but 2 years seem the right length, for the time being.
If Subban wants longer terms, fine Habs should offer 10 yrs for 5,5M (total)

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Looks like Geoff Molson (the cheap man) doesn't want to burry Gomez in the minors. And that would explain why Bergevin's trying to get a cheap deal out of Subban by still keeping some money to potentially sign Doan.

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The two year deal is fair. Every other member of the core has accepted the short term deal first.

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I wouldn't worry about anything yet, they only met for the first time this week. Yes this is a low offer but its in the framework of what everyone else got coming off their ELC.

I expect to see more $$$ for the same term, perhaps PK could push it to 3 years if his agent is really stubborn, but I doubt it.

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Looks like Geoff Molson (the cheap man) doesn't want to burry Gomez in the minors. And that would explain why Bergevin's trying to get a cheap deal out of Subban by still keeping some money to potentially sign Doan.
i doubt the reason behind not burying gomez is financial.

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Looks like Geoff Molson (the cheap man) doesn't want to burry Gomez in the minors. And that would explain why Bergevin's trying to get a cheap deal out of Subban by still keeping some money to potentially sign Doan.


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Don't give him a long term deal but for 2 years, 5.5M is low for sure. He's already shown his worth 4+M for each year.
No he hasn't

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08-01-2012, 02:23 PM
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If I'm Philadelphia I offersheet Subban a five year contract paying 4.6 million dollars a year.

They could get Subban for the bargain price of a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
Habs match that in a heartbeat but Subban would never sign an offer sheet unless both term and money are way higher.

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No he hasn't
Yes, he has.

Wow, that was an easy argument.

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The two year deal is fair. Every other member of the core has accepted the short term deal first.
Subban's not "every other member of the core".

Professional sports is not about fairness.

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It's in the best interest of both parties to wait and see what direction the negotiations between the NLHPA and the league are going.

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Wow why are you guys low ballin all of a sudden? he was our no.1 dman last year playing the highest minutes among our dmen, 1st PP 1st PK unit. If I was him i'd be hustlin for a 5m+ contract, specially if its short term.

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If I'm Philadelphia I offersheet Subban a five year contract paying 4.6 million dollars a year.

They could get Subban for the bargain price of a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
Montreal would match?

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Yes, he has.

Wow, that was an easy argument.


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Wow why are you guys low ballin all of a sudden? he was our no.1 dman last year playing the highest minutes among our dmen, 1st PP 1st PK unit. If I was him i'd be hustlin for a 5m+ contract, specially if its short term.
He had a lot of minutes because of our depleted blue line

He is far from being our real 1st d-man


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Montreal would match?
I hope you're right :-)

Honestly, what if we got "stuck" with Subban at 5 years for 4.5 million per ... That would be great news for the franchise !!!

By the way, if they offer 5 years, 6.3 million dollars per year, we'd get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd; and Montreal might not be able to match that without moving pieces around, as 6.3 million is our cap space.

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He had a lot of minutes because of our depleted blue line

He is far from being our real 1st d-man
In 2010-2011 he was our number 2 dman behind Hamrlik. Hamrlik led the team with
1,760 total minutes of ice time, and Subban was close behind with 1,715 minutes of total ice time.

In 2011-2012 he was our number 1 dman. He played 1,968 minutes last year, Gorges was 2nd with 1,856 minutes and Emelin was 3rd with 1,276 minutes, way behind.

Next year he will be *at worst* out number 2 behind Markov. He would not be "far from being our number 1 dman".


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08-01-2012, 02:53 PM
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I got nervous when I saw the PK rejects $5.5M. For 2 years, I think it's great.

If he wants a long term deal, I think he has to earn it. Price took a short term deal and now he got paid bank in his new deal. I always said I saw PK and Price in the same light and that PK should get a similiar deal to what Price got previously.

i love price, but if the habs were smart they would have locked him LONG term a few years ago and dealt with a much lower cap hit. i'm tired of the 'waiting for players to prove themselves before i give them big money' kind of thinking...when the players we are dealing with are our franchise. It was a FACT that price would get better as he aged and the same can be said about Subban so what the hell are we waiting for? Wait for him to burst out and then be forced to pay him a cap hit of 6 million +? Capitalize on the fact that he had less than 40 points in a season when its a given that he'll score more in his prime and get him signed long term with a good cap hit.

short term contracts for thoroughbreds are just asinine in my opinion. Especially for ones with a good work ethic and that strive to better themselves all the time.

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08-01-2012, 03:00 PM
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Subban needs more character.

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This is the same contract Price got after his ELC.

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This is the same contract Price got after his ELC.
If we consider that the cap is higher now ... the same cap hit for next season would be 3,15

I still think it's low

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08-01-2012, 03:06 PM
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This is the same contract Price got after his ELC.
The correct analogy is Jaroslav Halak, who got a 4-year contract of 3.75 million dollars.

With cap inflation, that's ~4.4 million dollars per year.

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The correct analogy is Jaroslav Halak, who got a 4-year contract of 3.75 million dollars.

With cap inflation, that's ~4.4 million dollars per year.
No, it really isn't the correct analogy.

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Not saying he won't develop into a great 2 way player, but I think it would be too much to trade Subban away, because you feel that Beaulieu can replace him and do the job that Subban has done as number 1 d-men.
I agree with you...I don't wanna see Subban get traded.

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No, it really isn't the correct analogy.
Halak was the dominant goalie in the period preceding that contract, not Price.

You really don't think Price would have gotten a lot more if he had been able to hold on to the number 1 job?

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Halak was the dominant goalie in the period preceding that contract, not Price.

You really don't think Price would have gotten a lot more if he had been able to hold on to the number 1 job?
The OP was talking about comparable impact players, coming off their ELCs that signed with Montreal. The contract they offered Subban was the same one they gave Price at the same stage in their careers.

Follow along young buck.

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