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08-01-2012, 03:39 PM
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The OP was talking about comparable impact players, coming off their ELCs that signed with Montreal.
So your point is that it was Halak's 3rd contract?

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The contract they offered Subban was the same one they gave Price at the same stage in their careers.
It's not the same once you adjust for cap inflation.

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08-01-2012, 03:42 PM
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http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/345436.html

According to RDS, Habs are offering a two year contract for 5,5 million (total). PK wants a long term contract.


I think Habs should bonify their offer in terms of $$$, but 2 years seem the right length, for the time being.
really hope that this is a B.S rumour...

2 year deal?

2.75M$/per offer???


that would be a page right out of Gainey's playbook... using RFA status as a sledgehammer regardless of the existing level and potential an established young player shows.


It would be the first decision by the MB regime that I fully disagree with . Don't know how you can sign Prust to a 4 year 2.5M/per deal, and then only offer P.K 250K more per year... that's ludicrous (and I wasn't against the Prust signing).


lock up PK long-term (5-7years) at anything below 5M$, mid-term (3-5) at anything under 5.5M$.

don't dick the kid around just because you can. If he is to be a cornerstone piece, and everything he's done indicates that he is/will be, don't waste time screwing around trying to convince him that he'll get his pay day later on. The precedent league-wide for players of PK's talent/age is pretty established, regardless of what you can get away with technically, lowballing an elite athlete is the perfect way to ensure you'll never get any "hometown" consideration on future deals.

Start building the positive relationship now. Shut up and pay the man.

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08-01-2012, 03:43 PM
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Subban's agent is deying it per TSN so no need to over-react.

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08-01-2012, 03:44 PM
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So your point is that it was Halak's 3rd contract?


It's not the same once you adjust for cap inflation.
You don't even know what you are arguing about anymore man.

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08-01-2012, 03:46 PM
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You don't even know what you are arguing about anymore man.
I'm arguing Subban shouldn't be underpaid.

That is a tough concept for you.

Tough.

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08-01-2012, 03:49 PM
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I'm arguing Subban shouldn't be underpaid.

That is a tough concept for you.

Tough.
I haven't even made an argument in this thread, that is how out to lunch you are right now.

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The two year deal is fair. Every other member of the core has accepted the short term deal first.
This, and if he wants too much trade him. I don't really mind seeing him go.
We could make a package and get back another D and a top 6 winger.

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08-01-2012, 03:52 PM
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Chill.

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08-01-2012, 03:55 PM
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If I'm Philadelphia I offersheet Subban a five year contract paying 4.6 million dollars a year.

They could get Subban for the bargain price of a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
Nope. It's too easily matched. But if that's the deal, Subban had better live up to it.

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08-01-2012, 03:57 PM
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This, and if he wants too much trade him. I don't really mind seeing him go.
We could make a package and get back another D and a top 6 winger.
You draft a dman of Subban's caliber once every ten years, if you're lucky. Trading him is a ridiculous idea.

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08-01-2012, 04:00 PM
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LoL look at you all worried and up in arms about this news. Even if it's true I am not just like I wasn't worried about Price during his last contract negos. Such a nice day out... He will get signed, and I don't even care for how much as long as Bergy gets it done.

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Non @Ouimet77: A t'on raison de s'inquiéter de la lenteur des négociations dans le dossier PK? Rumeurs d"offer sheet"?

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Don't give him a long term deal but for 2 years, 5.5M is low for sure. He's already shown his worth 4+M for each year.
His raise will be based on what is anticipated from him, not on what he's already accomplished. I wouldn't want to pay $4M+ as a reward for what Subban has produced, which has been good but not on all-star level.

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08-01-2012, 04:05 PM
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You draft a dman of Subban's caliber once every ten years, if you're lucky. Trading him is a ridiculous idea.
Once in a decade? That's hype.

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08-01-2012, 04:06 PM
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Once in a decade? That's hype.
That's true. We've drafted two great defenseman in the 2000s:

PK Subban and Ryan McDonagh.

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You draft a dman of Subban's caliber once every ten years, if you're lucky. Trading him is a ridiculous idea.
but habs gonna draft Seth Jones in 2013

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just give him same deal that Letang got after his ELC:

4 years at 3.5mil.

DONE.

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That's true. We've drafted two great defenseman in the 2000s:

PK Subban and Ryan McDonagh.
Well once a decade is like saying he's a generational talent. Maybe once a decade for US, but we're one team among 30. Also I'm expecting Beaulieu not to be too far off, maybe even better.

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i love price, but if the habs were smart they would have locked him LONG term a few years ago and dealt with a much lower cap hit. i'm tired of the 'waiting for players to prove themselves before i give them big money' kind of thinking...when the players we are dealing with are our franchise. It was a FACT that price would get better as he aged and the same can be said about Subban so what the hell are we waiting for? Wait for him to burst out and then be forced to pay him a cap hit of 6 million +? Capitalize on the fact that he had less than 40 points in a season when its a given that he'll score more in his prime and get him signed long term with a good cap hit.

short term contracts for thoroughbreds are just asinine in my opinion. Especially for ones with a good work ethic and that strive to better themselves all the time.
i don't think there is a clear cut right answer to this. If it was such an obvious decision, all GM's would lock up there young players for a decade if they show promise.

I don't think giving a young unproven player a long term deal is the way to go personally. I think the player needs to earn it first.

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08-01-2012, 04:16 PM
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Well once a decade is like saying he's a generational talent. Maybe once a decade for US, but we're one team among 30. Also I'm expecting Beaulieu not to be too far off, maybe even better.
I think he meant that a typical team will only draft one Subba-caliber player per decade.

Anyway, our defense is weak enough as is. Without Subban we could spend three to five years in the league basement.

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Once in a decade? That's hype.
The last one was Markov in 98. Before that, Chelios in 81. Seriously, drafting #1 dmen who play on the top unit in every situation, who regularly outperform the opposition's best, doesn't happen often.

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I think he meant that a typical team will only draft one Subba-caliber player per decade.

Anyway, our defense is weak enough as is. Without Subban we could spend three to five years in the league basement.
Oh my, someone call Dr. Recchi

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Well once a decade is like saying he's a generational talent. Maybe once a decade for US, but we're one team among 30. Also I'm expecting Beaulieu not to be too far off, maybe even better.
Beaulieu's progression over his 19 year old season is nothing like Subban's. He'll have to have a huge year to catch up to PK's development.

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just give him same deal that Letang got after his ELC:

4 years at 3.5mil.

DONE.
+ inflation

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Whoever said Subban should get offered Letang's contract, this.

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