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08-01-2012, 04:56 PM
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Avs - Ducks

Ducks get: Stastny, Barrie/Gaunce, 2nd

Avs Get: Bobby Ryan

Reason: Ducks get a legitimate 2nd line playmaking center, could build good chemistry with etem in the future, stastny also could use a change of scenery to return to his 70 point form, and a NHL ready dman, if not ready very very close as both have gotten some playing time with the big club, as we all know the ducks are weak on the back end, barrie is a good offensive dman which could soften the blow of losing justin schultz.

Avs get the big scoring winger they need, can play the left side also which is a position the avs lack depth in. ryan-duchene-parenteau could be a pretty scary line in the future

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08-01-2012, 05:00 PM
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I'm sick of of Avs fans trying to get Ryan for Stastny. Duchene or no dice. Please understand this as it's been said many times.

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This deal actually makes a lot of sense.

Ducks need a #2 center, and the Avs could sacrifice one of their top 3 centers for another top 6 winger.

However, is this enough for the Ducks and their fans to comfortably part with Bobby Ryan? Ducks fans?

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No it's not enough. I'd rather do something involving Duchene or add something very significant to ROR. Not interested in Stastny, would rather keep Ryan and see how Holland does.

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Don't want to trade Stastny unless it's for Bozak.

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I'm sick of of Avs fans trying to get Ryan for Stastny. Duchene or no dice. Please understand this as it's been said many times.
Deal.

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Stastny for Bouwmester

one vs one

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Any deal sending Stastny somewhere needs to include a 3rd line C coming back to the Avs.

Don't want Bouwmeester.

NOT gonna trade Duchene.

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Ryan is pretty overrated, If that package isn't enough. I'd say no from Colorado. People are selling Stastny too cheap these days.

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Stastny for Bouwmester

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calgary would have to add something

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meh Bobby Ryan is overrated.

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It's fair value, Stastny could use a change, Barrie or Gaunce would fit in Anaheim's system... The 2nd holds a 1/4 chance of becoming an NHL player.

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I'm sick of of Avs fans trying to get Ryan for Stastny. Duchene or no dice. Please understand this as it's been said many times.
Yeah, because all Avs fans actually want to make that deal.

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I would much rather trade Duchene. That said I'd prefer to target a top-pairing defenseman, or one on the cusp of becoming one, instead. Wouldn't mind Duchene being traded for Ryan though.

Avs will see how Stastny's contract situation looks next year before moving anyone (if at all).

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Ryan is pretty overrated, If that package isn't enough. I'd say no from Colorado. People are selling Stastny too cheap these days.
The value is alright, it's just Statsny's contract is a killer.

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The value is alright, it's just Statsny's contract is a killer.
His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded

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His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded
That was Peter Stastny, Paul Stastny's dad.

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(...) ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim (...)
Which would be wrong.

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His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded
Are you sure that you're an Avs fan?

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Ducks get: Stastny, Barrie/Gaunce, 2nd

Avs Get: Bobby Ryan

Reason: Ducks get a legitimate 2nd line playmaking center, could build good chemistry with etem in the future, stastny also could use a change of scenery to return to his 70 point form, and a NHL ready dman, if not ready very very close as both have gotten some playing time with the big club, as we all know the ducks are weak on the back end, barrie is a good offensive dman which could soften the blow of losing justin schultz.

Avs get the big scoring winger they need, can play the left side also which is a position the avs lack depth in. ryan-duchene-parenteau could be a pretty scary line in the future
Certainly Stastny fills our 2C opening. One knock was always his salary relative to Getzlaf and Perry, but I'm guessing that both guys will get new contracts above $6.6M unless the new CBA borks up UFA salaries somehow.

However, salaries in the OP proposal don't work for the Ducks. Stastny +Barrie/Gaunce is about $7.5M of salary vs. Ryan at $5.1M. Ducks would need to include Cogliano ($2.4M) to balance salaries, but then the Ducks fill one hole and create two with the trade. We need physical dmen, not more puck movers like Barrie. I think Gaunce may be a better fit.

Everyone wants Duchene based on his age/potential and salary, but understandably the Avs don't want to move him for similar reasons.

If the Ducks trade Ryan, then we wanted to add more depth (2C, Top 6 forward, pick/prospect), but I don't see how Stastny + another Avs Top 6 forward can work salary wise.

We don't want to trade Ryan, but assuming we had to (i.e., he privately requested a trade and Murray thinks he has to move him), then I would propose for discussion's sake:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny, Gaunce + 2013 1st

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that's too much for bobby ryan.... the ducks fans believe that ryan is a god but he's just a good player. Comon, bobby ryan's value is not that high !...

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meh bobby ryan is overrated.
clearly !!!!!

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Ryan is pretty overrated, If that package isn't enough. I'd say no from Colorado. People are selling Stastny too cheap these days.
Noone is saying the value is not there.

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His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded
Wrong. He even came out after that article and said that he wants to stay in Anaheim and they will always be his first choice.

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We don't want to trade Ryan, but assuming we had to (i.e., he privately requested a trade and Murray thinks he has to move him), then I would propose for discussion's sake:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny, Gaunce + 2013 1st
If we had to, I'd prefer:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny+McGinn.

I believe McGinn plays LW and showed (will prove this season IMO) he can be a dependable Top-6 guy. Of course, the Avs just extended him (so one reason less they would trade him).

Avs would still have a great top 6 in some combination of:

Duchene
O'Reilly
Landeskog
Ryan
Paranteau
Jones
Hejduk
Downie

While Anaheim's Top-6 can go with some combination of:

Getzlaf
Perry
Selanne
Stastny
McGinn
DSP
Palmieri


Despite all that, I think Ducks start the year with Holland/Bonino, though; and see how they do.

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