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08-01-2012, 06:40 PM
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calgary would have to add something
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Yeah, because all Avs fans actually want to make that deal.
Well, I don't think we'd be well advised to look for a deal that all opposing fans of a team would want to make around here. That's a safe way to either get very amused or very depressed, and I'd rather not take the risk.

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that's too much for bobby ryan.... the ducks fans believe that ryan is a god but he's just a good player. Comon, bobby ryan's value is not that high !...
That's not really a compelling argument. I could insert all kinds names in there and say the same thing. Like, Duchene's...

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08-01-2012, 06:46 PM
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If we had to, I'd prefer:

Ryan+Cogliano for Stastny+McGinn.

I believe McGinn plays LW and showed (will prove this season IMO) he can be a dependable Top-6 guy. Of course, the Avs just extended him (so one reason less they would trade him).

Avs would still have a great top 6 in some combination of:

Duchene
O'Reilly
Landeskog
Ryan
Paranteau
Jones
Hejduk
Downie

While Anaheim's Top-6 can go with some combination of:

Getzlaf
Perry
Selanne
Stastny
McGinn
DSP
Palmieri


Despite all that, I think Ducks start the year with Holland/Bonino, though; and see how they do.
So if McGinn looks like a top 6 guy why the hell would we be ok with including him in the deal? It's called.. not no but HELL NO do we add another top 6 forward to Stastny for Ryan.

And for that poster who was talking about salary.. GAUNCE AND BARRIE ARE STILL ON TWO-WAY CONTRACTS.

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08-01-2012, 06:47 PM
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I think value is there but I'm not sure stastny is the guy anaheim is looking for. I don't think it's a bad offer, but I don't think anaheim fans are wrong in saying no either. I think i'd rather just keep Ryan if I were them. It's enough to make them listen but not enough to pry him away.

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It's actually OK, I think the Ducks would want Gaunce. Would prefer Duchene for Ryan straight up though.

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08-01-2012, 06:52 PM
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I don't even know why Avs fans want Ryan. Our top 9 is looking decent rolling 3 scoring lines. Getting a partner for EJ is the priority, rather than grabbing Ryan.

Ryan - RoR - Landeskog
Paranteau - Duchene - Hejduk
Downie - Olver - Jones

Imo, that lineup doesn't even look much better, if at all. Basically getting a proven goal scorer, but losing a potential 20+ goal scorer + our main playmaking center.

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08-01-2012, 06:55 PM
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I think value is there but I'm not sure stastny is the guy anaheim is looking for. I don't think it's a bad offer, but I don't think anaheim fans are wrong in saying no either. I think i'd rather just keep Ryan if I were them. It's enough to make them listen but not enough to pry him away.
Personally I would trade O'Reilly for Ryan, but your not going to find many Avs fans who would agree with me.

As far as having to have a third line center coming back.. Yeah that would be nice but having Mitchell, Olver, Malone, Heard, Hishon and Sgarbossa all as centers competing for the 3rd/4th line center positions, I think we would survive.

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I don't even know why Avs fans want Ryan. Our top 9 is looking decent rolling 3 scoring lines. Getting a partner for EJ is the priority, rather than grabbing Ryan.

Ryan - RoR - Landeskog
Paranteau - Duchene - Hejduk
Downie - Olver - Jones

Imo, that lineup doesn't even look much better, if at all. Basically getting a proven goal scorer, but losing a potential 20+ goal scorer + our main playmaking center.
I'm just curious are you familiar with the difference between RW & LW?

Our RWs include Parenteau, Jones, Downie, and Hejduk with Jones having the ability to play LW as well. And actually Ryan is a natural RW and plays both sides as well. Oh and you forgot McGinn.

(pssssssst HEJDUK ISN'T A TOP 6 FORWARD. Just saying..)


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Well, I don't think we'd be well advised to look for a deal that all opposing fans of a team would want to make around here. That's a safe way to either get very amused or very depressed, and I'd rather not take the risk.
However, is the goal not to determine the most realistic, logical and fair proposal possible?

Duchene is 21 and Ryan is 25, yet Duchene's best season was 4 points less than Ryan's while he was playing alongside Getzlaf and Perry.

So what are you going to add to Ryan to make it worthwhile for the Avs to trade him for a winger, not even our most pressing need?

Better yet, even if the Avs considered moving Stastny for him, who does Ryan play with? We have McGinn, Downie, Parenteau, Jones, Hejduk and Landeskog whom are all viable top 6/9 options, none of them should be playing 4th line minutes, let alone the fact we'd have no 3rd line center for 2 of the 7 wingers to play with.

It simply doesn't make sense no matter how you cut it.

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08-01-2012, 07:02 PM
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However, is the goal not to determine the most realistic, logical and fair proposal possible?

Duchene is 21 and Ryan is 25, yet Duchene's best season was 4 points less than Ryan's while he was playing alongside Getzlaf and Perry.

So what are you going to add to Ryan to make it worthwhile for the Avs to trade him for a winger, not even our most pressing need?

Agree with this part ^

Better yet, even if the Avs considered moving Stastny for him, who does Ryan play with? We have McGinn, Downie, Parenteau, Jones, Hejduk and Landeskog whom are all viable top 6/9 options, none of them should be playing 4th line minutes, let alone the fact we'd have no 3rd line center for 2 of the 7 wingers to play with.

It simply doesn't make sense no matter how you cut it.


This part no.. ^
Except Hejduk..

Do you really believe Jones belongs on on our first line? Or even one of the main offensive lines? We do need a legit top line winger and we do have the players to compensate for the loss of a third line center.

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08-01-2012, 07:04 PM
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However, is the goal not to determine the most realistic, logical and fair proposal possible?

Duchene is 21 and Ryan is 25, yet Duchene's best season was 4 points less than Ryan's while he was playing alongside Getzlaf and Perry.

So what are you going to add to Ryan to make it worthwhile for the Avs to trade him for a winger, not even our most pressing need?

Better yet, even if the Avs considered moving Stastny for him, who does Ryan play with? We have McGinn, Downie, Parenteau, Jones, Hejduk and Landeskog whom are all viable top 6/9 options, none of them should be playing 4th line minutes, let alone the fact we'd have no 3rd line center for 2 of the 7 wingers to play with.

It simply doesn't make sense no matter how you cut it.
That line of thinking is so idiotic. Look, talented players sometimes play with talented players. I'm sorry that our coach didn't think to sandbag our team that year in order to establish some sort of statistical baseline for rival fans at Hockey's Future.

As for the OP, Duchene or O'Reilly+.

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08-01-2012, 07:06 PM
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However, is the goal not to determine the most realistic, logical and fair proposal possible?
Sure. But considering all those, I still find Duchene to be a more viable option than Stastny. The far most realistic option obviously is nothing happening, which I absolutely expect. But I don't see a deal around Stastny happening.

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So what are you going to add to Ryan to make it worthwhile for the Avs to trade him for a winger, not even our most pressing need?
Nope, nothing. If you guys aren't sold on him, we'll gladly keep him around. I absolutely understand the organisational need aspects that make it senseless for the Avs to even inquire, but that isn't really a determination that would matter a lot to Anaheim's side of things, as they are in no way limited to Colorado as a partner.

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It simply doesn't make sense no matter how you cut it.
I can understand that. And I agree, actually. Makes no sense for the Avs in their current situation - as far as I can see and have been made aware - to be a top suitor for Ryan.

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His cap hit is only around 1 mil (a little higher then that) more than ryan, who has said he doesn't want to be in anaheim, while stastny was also expressing displeasure with management after the johnson trade. duchene loves the avs and is the future of the franchise. he will NOT be traded
I love how much is wrong with this post. Ryan never said he doesn't want to be in Anaheim. He said he wants the trade rumors to stop. Also the cash is 1 mill higher which is way to much for a downgrade. Not to mention the fact that Ryan is signed for longer.

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That line of thinking is so idiotic. Look, talented players sometimes play with talented players. I'm sorry that our coach didn't think to sandbag our team that year in order to establish some sort of statistical baseline for rival fans at Hockey's Future.

As for the OP, Duchene or O'Reilly+.
What would the plus on O'Reilly be?

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Stasny is a better hockey player. Yet Anaheim get's the big deal...

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What would the plus on O'Reilly be?
Don't know and don't feel like haggling over it.

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Well, I don't think we'd be well advised to look for a deal that all opposing fans of a team would want to make around here. That's a safe way to either get very amused or very depressed, and I'd rather not take the risk.


That's not really a compelling argument. I could insert all kinds names in there and say the same thing. Like, Duchene's...
Ryan is just a winger, the avs send a center with practically the same amount of skills + they add a great prospect in Gaunce... when you know all the rumors surrounded Ryan (because of his work ethic).

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Don't know and don't feel like haggling over it.
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Ryan is just a winger, the avs send a center with practically the same amount of skills + they add a great prospect in Gaunce... when you know all the rumors surrounded Ryan (because of his work ethic).
What?

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What?
This is what reporters and some retired players say, and it's probably why he didn't play all season with getzlaf and perry

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This is what reporters and some retired players say, and it's probably why he didn't play all season with getzlaf and perry
Getzlaf is the player that gets knocked for his work ethic, not Ryan.

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I wouldn' want to move any centers for Ryan, he is an elite goal scoring winger, but i think our forward corps will be just fine the way they are this coming season with the potential addition of a cheap reclamation project to try on Duchene's left side

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This is what reporters and some retired players say, and it's probably why he didn't play all season with getzlaf and perry
Have anything to back this up or are you just spouting off bull****?

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Ryan is just a winger, the avs send a center with practically the same amount of skills + they add a great prospect in Gaunce...
Stastny really does not have the same amount of skills.

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This is what reporters and some retired players say, and it's probably why he didn't play all season with getzlaf and perry
No, a classic principle of "spreading out your offense" is the reason why he didn't play all season with Getzlaf and Perry. They only need a complimentary player to play with them, and there's limited impact a player can have playing with them. Ryan can play there, but is wasted, as he's talented enough to lead a line on his own. And when Getzlaf and Perry aren't playing well, the line as a whole won't produce, so there's no reason to let Ryan go to waste, as well. It has nothing to do with work ethic.

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Have anything to back this up or are you just spouting off bull****?
''bobby ryan work ethic'' on google

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That is not a source.

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