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08-01-2012, 06:38 PM
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I love how people say "Kesler's only had one good year in 2010-2011" What people don't realize is Kesler scored more points the year before that but no "Only one good year" Kesler is much better than Filpulla at both ends of the rink, call me when Filpulla is nominated for 3 Selkes(And wins one), scored 40 goals, and singlehandidly wins a playoff series for your team.

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08-01-2012, 06:40 PM
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Better in 1 season does not mean Filppula is better than Kesler career-wise.

If you need only 1 season to be convinced of Filppula's numbers (especially when he has never reached 60 points prior to that season), then you need higher standards.
Careewise, how is this:


NHL TOTALS 442 91 143 234 47 152 12 2 12 701 13.0


so much worse than this:

NHL TOTALS 561 153 184 337 45 501 50 9 19 1,282 11.9


?

Stats are quite the same, one is declining and the other is on the rise! Kesler on 2nd line duty and Filppula on 3rd... Stats lie?

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08-01-2012, 06:42 PM
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I love how people say "Kesler's only had one good year in 2010-2011" What people don't realize is Kesler scored more points the year before that but no "Only one good year" Kesler is much better than Filpulla at both ends of the rink, call me when Filpulla is nominated for 3 Selkes(And wins one), scored 40 goals, and singlehandidly wins a playoff series for your team.
Keep your 49p 2line center on a stacked Canuck team and Wings keep Filppula!

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08-01-2012, 06:44 PM
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Keep your 49p 2line center on a stacked Canuck team and Wings keep Filppula!
"49p center"

looks like ovechkin is a 65p winger then

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Careewise, how is this:


NHL TOTALS 442 91 143 234 47 152 12 2 12 701 13.0


so much worse than this:

NHL TOTALS 561 153 184 337 45 501 50 9 19 1,282 11.9


?

Stats are quite the same, one is declining and the other is on the rise! Kesler on 2nd line duty and Filppula on 3rd... Stats lie?
Kesler's stats are STILL BETTER regardless of how you're trying to argue. 0.60 PPG > 0.53 PPG End of story. You need math help if you think 0.6 = 0.53.

Of course, you assume Kesler is declining...now you're just trolling. You conveniently fail to take into consideration that Kesler himself said he wasn't healthy at the start of the season, and he had hip and shoulder problems.

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08-01-2012, 06:47 PM
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The value is close, but there is no reason for Vancouver to do it. Why break up team chemistry for a lateral move that wont pay full dividends 3-4 years later?

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How old is Jagr this year? Or hell, Whitney.

That's how many years of production you'll get from Datsyuk.

I don't care for this trade idea at all, I just hate how anybody over 30 is suddenly headed for the HFboards retirement home.
Just because he could probably play to that age doesnt mean he will. I seriously feel like Datsyuk will retire younger then most expect.


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08-01-2012, 06:51 PM
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you cant simply take 2 players stats, line them up and then determine who is better.

if i was building a team and a choice between the 2, id take Kesler 10 out of 10. Maybe DET fans wouldnt, who cares.

point being just because someone gets more or less points, has really no significance to the calculation of who is better. its about as relevant as a survey of their favourite ice cream.

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08-01-2012, 06:51 PM
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I think other Canucks fans underrate Filpulla. I don't think Kesler is as vital to our team as many make it. I would do:

To Detroit:

Kesler

To Vancouver:

Filpulla
Jarnkrok
Nyquist
Conditional 2nd rounder given if Filpulla doesn't re-sign here
Haha Kesler is not that good. It might be what the Canucks would need to move him, which would be a stupid move by them anyways, but you are not getting Filppula and our 2nd and 3rd best prospects.

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08-01-2012, 06:53 PM
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Some of the responses here... I don't even


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you cant simply take 2 players stats, line them up and then determine who is better.

if i was building a team and a choice between the 2, id take Kesler 10 out of 10. Maybe DET fans wouldnt, who cares.

point being just because someone gets more or less points, has really no significance to the calculation of who is better. its about as irrelevant as a survey of their favourite ice cream.
If anybody knows that points don't tell the whole story it's Detroit fans. From what I could tell nobody was saying Filppula is better then Kesler. I don't think he is much worse I think Kesler has gotten a lot of pub playing for Van and his 40 goal season really put him on the map. He had a problem living up to that last year.

I think that the comparison in points was to show that Kesler isn't THAT much more valuable than Filppula. The real difference is Kesler's physical play and contract. I Filppula was signed to a good deal the difference would be Cleary +.

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Kesler is so overrated by Canucks fans and the same could be said for Wings fans and Filpulla

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I love how people say "Kesler's only had one good year in 2010-2011" What people don't realize is Kesler scored more points the year before that but no "Only one good year" Kesler is much better than Filpulla at both ends of the rink, call me when Filpulla is nominated for 3 Selkes(And wins one), scored 40 goals, and singlehandidly wins a playoff series for your team.
Never happened in the history of the sport. And why would anybody want to call you anyways?

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08-01-2012, 07:06 PM
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not even close, if you believe this than you will also believe that you guys won the cup in 2011
While true, Dats would need to be coming back. Wed have to add ofcourse, maybe a top prospect like Jensen. No reason for Detroit to do that tho.

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08-01-2012, 07:17 PM
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If I read "Kesler is on the decline" one more time, I think I might give up the internet...anyone believing a bad season, largely due to injuries, after a steady rise constitutes a peak needs their head examined, regardless of the player we're talking about.

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08-01-2012, 07:22 PM
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Kesler is underrated on HF.

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what about kesler for plekanec and gallagher ?

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what about kesler for plekanec and gallagher ?
Depends, what else are you offering with those two?

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Depends, what else are you offering with those two?
I love gallagher and because ur from vancouver im sur u like him too, so what do u want more ?

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08-01-2012, 07:32 PM
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I love gallagher and because ur from vancouver im sur u like him too, so what do u want more ?
Gallaghers fine, but for what Kesler brings to our team, he doesn't make up for the downgrade from Kes to Pleks, A top 4 dman would be nice, but bare in mind, we're not likely to ever move Kesler.

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lol kesler is so overrated.

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08-01-2012, 07:40 PM
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Gallaghers fine, but for what Kesler brings to our team, he doesn't make up for the downgrade from Kes to Pleks, A top 4 dman would be nice, but bare in mind, we're not likely to ever move Kesler.
I believe u don't and he's certainly one of my favorite players, but he had a bad season.

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08-01-2012, 07:42 PM
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So by this logic Filppula is a 3rd line C
In Detroit = Yes (If both Datsyuk and Zetterberg continues to be split up and center each line).

Quality-wise = No. There he is 2nd line C.

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While true, Dats would need to be coming back. Wed have to add ofcourse, maybe a top prospect like Jensen. No reason for Detroit to do that tho.


You have got to be kidding me...

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The only thing that would give us incentive to move Kesler is if Datsyuk or Zetterberg+ is coming back.
C'mon dude. I love Kes, but a shot a Dats, and I think we'd be adding, and should be happy doing so.

Datsyuk

for -

Kesler, Ballard

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If you have ever played sports at a competitve level you know there are guys that have the desire to win that allows them to play through pain. take it up a level when it matter most.

Imo Toews is the ideal top line center. Low maintenence highly skilled extremely motivated and clutch.

There is a reason he was a younger stanley cup champion Captain than crosby.

Some players are faster bigger have better shots put up better season long #'s. Very few NHL players scare me as much as Toews with the game on the line.

Disagree if you want but kesler is also that type of player. The bigger the moment the more he gives you. In all three Zones.

I have not seen flippula ever get to near that level of compete. Yes he had a nice season last year. He could have another one this year. I want to see him stand out in the playoffs then ill start to consider him a legit Star.

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