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08-01-2012, 07:25 PM
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I don't either but I think a trade of Jbo + Stajan for Filp + Quincey could benefit both teams.
I know but that has been discussed to death

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08-01-2012, 07:27 PM
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I'd rather have Ericsson than Quincey.

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08-01-2012, 07:31 PM
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OK how about Tanguay instead of Glenx? Helps both teams I think.
I would definitely move Tanguay before Glencross at this point.

I would also consider that deal if Filpulla came with a contract extension.

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08-01-2012, 07:56 PM
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I'd rather have Ericsson than Quincey.
I wouldn't Ericsson is 2 years older a give away machine and has no offensive instincts Quincey can be a 25-30 point defenseman can play more minutes and is better at blocking, literally the only thing Ericsson is better at is hitting and its not like Quincey is bad at that. Ericsson is a #5 defenseman where as Quincey is a #3/#4 defenseman there is no doubt in my mind I would take Quincey first.

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08-01-2012, 08:01 PM
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OK how about Tanguay instead of Glenx? Helps both teams I think.
I'd do it if Tanguay was switched with Glencross.

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08-01-2012, 08:59 PM
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I'd do it if Tanguay was switched with Glencross.
Still missing the point, Detroit wants a high end sniper not another playmaker. You can look at our goal charts, the top three are 29,25,23. 25 just left to goto Calgary.

The need is definitely a 30 goal scorer or better. Cammy is what the wings would want tbh. Someone that shoots tons when Dats gives them a pass.

Glencross could work as a player but it would cost too much for his bargain contract.

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08-01-2012, 09:02 PM
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Still missing the point, Detroit wants a high end sniper not another playmaker. You can look at our goal charts, the top three are 29,25,23. 25 just left to goto Calgary.

The need is definitely a 30 goal scorer or better. Cammy is what the wings would want tbh. Someone that shoots tons when Dats gives them a pass.

Glencross could work as a player but it would cost too much for his bargain contract.
Yeah, I was more stating my preference that Tanguay is traded before Glencross.

I think Calgary & Detroit make terrible trading partners anyways, so it hardly matters.

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08-01-2012, 10:17 PM
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Given that we have Reinhart and Horak, I really think Backlund, Jbo for Filppula and Quincey is a fantastic hockey trade for both teams.

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08-01-2012, 10:23 PM
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I feel as though this rumor has zero credibility
Bingo. People here were extremely quick to jump on a rumor from a random, disreputable source. More, Ken Holland would never make this absurd trade.

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08-02-2012, 06:32 PM
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27 is entering the prime of his career. He could hit 75~ points with elevated ice time and getting 1 or 2 of Iggy/Squid/Tangs.
He doesnt have that kind of talent/consistency. Trust me. There were week spans where he got top notch minutes and he does nothing with it. He's a good second liner.

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08-02-2012, 10:06 PM
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He doesnt have that kind of talent/consistency. Trust me. There were week spans where he got top notch minutes and he does nothing with it.
He does always get an A+ for effort, though.

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08-07-2012, 06:36 PM
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We don't need centers we need high scoring wingers. You know why flippers played wing? Cuz they wanted him top six and not on the 3rd line.

Helm has the 3rd center spot. 4th is a mixture of Abdelkader and Emmerton.

Stajan is useless to the wings. Stemps is ok but Cleary plays the same role of a speedy fore checker with some offense.

So ya definitely not enough value in that proposal.
The Wings' current forwards are:

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Franzen, Bertuzzi, Cleary, Samuelsson, Nyquist, Brunner, Helm, Tootoo, Abdelkader, Miller, Emmerton, Mursak, and Eaves. Two need to go, obviously, to make the roster limit. Nyquist and Brunner are waiver exempt, so IMO they basically have to earn top-six spots to play in the NHL if all are healthy.

If you give up Flip to get Stajan and Stempniak, that means someone gets waived or traded. But it might lead to other things. With the current roster, Helm is slotted as the 3C, likely between Cleary and Eaves if Nyquist and Brunner are sent down. Cleary/Helm/Eaves is by no means a scoring line; it's a quick skating checking line with a couple guys who might pot some goals. Slotting in Stajan puts in a guy who is more of a scorer than Helm, and he brings Stempniak along with him. That means the third line could become a legitimate scoring threat. One or both of Nyquist and Brunner are probably put on the roster at this point. If both rookies make the roster, then unless Cleary returns to form, he moves with Helm to the fourth line alongside Tootoo. Abdelkader, Eaves, Miller, Emmerton, and Mursak are left to compete for the last two spots. Realistically in that situation we would probably see Eaves and Miller gone, and Mursak, Emmerton, or Cleary traded.

On defense, there's not really a question... Quincey out, JayBo in. Ok.

I'd rather it be Babchuk than Stempniak, personally.

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CRAZY IDEA ALERT:

Bouwmeester
Glencross
Stempniak

for

Filppula
Ericsson/Quincy
Nyquist

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No way. GlenX turns this trade heavily in favour of the Wings.

Jbow
Stemp

for

Filppula
Ericsson/Quincy

GlenX doesn't = Nyquist. If we were to trade him, he would get a hell of a return.
Ok, ok. How about this:

To Calgary: Franzen, Quincey, and Nyquist

To Detroit: Bouwmeester, Hudler, and Babchuk

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08-07-2012, 07:02 PM
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Ok, ok. How about this:

To Calgary: Franzen, Quincey, and Nyquist

To Detroit: Bouwmeester, Hudler, and Babchuk
Holy **** no! We won't move Hudler after just signing him to play with Cervenka and Franzen is at best a 50 point player like Hudler but he will be 33 this year we are trying to get younger not older, Quincey is a downgrade on Jbo, take out Hudler and Frazen and it is alot closer.

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08-07-2012, 08:14 PM
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Holy **** no! We won't move Hudler after just signing him to play with Cervenka and Franzen is at best a 50 point player like Hudler but he will be 33 this year we are trying to get younger not older, Quincey is a downgrade on Jbo, take out Hudler and Frazen and it is alot closer.
Wtf? We just cut Hudler loose and you want us to take him again?


Its essentially Jbo for Quincey+Franzen and Nyqvist?

Thats terrible for Wings. Jbo =/= Rick Nash.

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08-07-2012, 09:12 PM
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Wtf? We just cut Hudler loose and you want us to take him again?


Its essentially Jbo for Quincey+Franzen and Nyqvist?

Thats terrible for Wings. Jbo =/= Rick Nash.
Uh no I said we wouldn't trade him.

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08-07-2012, 10:15 PM
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I'd do Jbo, Babchuk and Stajan for Filppula and Quincey.

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08-07-2012, 10:50 PM
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I'd do Jbo, Babchuk and Stajan for Filppula and Quincey.
My thoughs about this deal. Obviously Filppula is a major upgrade over Stajan, but Bouwmeester puts Quincey to shame. Babchuck evens it out and sheds some salary.

We bolster an already sufficient forward line up only to weaken our weakest area in defense, however we shed a lot of salary. I wouldn't do it personally.

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08-07-2012, 10:52 PM
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I'd do Jbo, Babchuk and Stajan for Filppula and Quincey.
I honestly feel Philly is going to be frantically ringing Mr. Feaster now. Philly has a team that is pretty close to having the right mix and match to win it all, now they have two major holes on defence... They'll need help. One of those kids could find his way to Calgary, no matter how many times Philly fans want to say that they are untouchable. That team is so offensively gifted, they could lose one of those .

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I honestly feel Philly is going to be frantically ringing Mr. Feaster now. Philly has a team that is pretty close to having the right mix and match to win it all, now they have two major holes on defence... They'll need help. One of those kids could find his way to Calgary, no matter how many times Philly fans want to say that they are untouchable. That team is so offensively gifted, they could lose one of those .
Not to mention that Philly has some untapped talent up the pipes.

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08-08-2012, 08:48 AM
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Uh no I said we wouldn't trade him.
I'm saying from a wings standpoint that's as garbage deal as any. It's a mountainous advantage in terms of value for he flames. Eva must be one of the Quincey haters to put such low value on him.

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08-08-2012, 03:25 PM
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My thoughs about this deal. Obviously Filppula is a major upgrade over Stajan, but Bouwmeester puts Quincey to shame. Babchuck evens it out and sheds some salary.

We bolster an already sufficient forward line up only to weaken our weakest area in defense, however we shed a lot of salary. I wouldn't do it personally.
Thats fair, but personally I'd do it without blinking. Babchuk are Stajan are the most expendable assets Calgary has and its not even close. Filppula is a huge upgrade over Stajan, and Quincey was more than adequate in COL. I actually was shocked they traded him as he was really rounding into form and looked like a really good #3/2 tweener.

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08-08-2012, 07:22 PM
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I'm saying from a wings standpoint that's as garbage deal as any. It's a mountainous advantage in terms of value for he flames. Eva must be one of the Quincey haters to put such low value on him.
It may be a garbage deal for the Wings and it is bot any better for the Flames.

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08-08-2012, 07:39 PM
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I'm saying from a wings standpoint that's as garbage deal as any. It's a mountainous advantage in terms of value for he flames. Eva must be one of the Quincey haters to put such low value on him.
I simply cant agree with that whatsoever from a Flames perspective.

Jay Bouwmeester >> Kyle Quincey (not really debatable in my mind)

Jiri Hudler > Johan Franzen (This is debatable)
I understand Hulder was let go by the Redwings, but I personally would not trade him straight up for the older, similiarily productive forward. The biggest strike against Franzen is that he is signed to an astonishingly unattractive contract.(8 more years @ 3.925M ).

Gustav Nyquist > Anton Babchuk

Where is the mountainous advantage you speak of in the Flames favor? I don't see it.

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08-08-2012, 11:05 PM
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JBo is horribly overpaid, his contract is the real stinker here. All those $$$ and noone has a clue how he'd play in the post season, since he's never played a playoff game.

While Franzen is statistically slightly better offensively than Hudler in the regular season and substantially better defensively, Franzen is head and shoulders above Hudler come playoff time, it's not even close. He's also more versatile and more physical.

Franzen >> Hudler.

How is a reliable 30 goal/50pt scorer that's sound defensively locked into a $4m cap hit long term such a bad thing? Franzen can clearly take over playoff games.

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I simply cant agree with that whatsoever from a Flames perspective.

Jay Bouwmeester >> Kyle Quincey (not really debatable in my mind)

Jiri Hudler > Johan Franzen (This is debatable)
I understand Hulder was let go by the Redwings, but I personally would not trade him straight up for the older, similiarily productive forward. The biggest strike against Franzen is that he is signed to an astonishingly unattractive contract.(8 more years @ 3.925M ).

Gustav Nyquist > Anton Babchuk

Where is the mountainous advantage you speak of in the Flames favor? I don't see it.
A newly signed ufa that a team let go has zero value, so from a value standpoint Hudler is essentially nothing. Hudler is young so obviously he did not feature in Kenny's plans so no value or very little to us. Has there ever been the case of a player signing elsewhere only to be traded back to the team in the same off season?

At this point in time Franzen = Jbo in terms of impact to a team so essentially you are trading Gus+Quincey for Babchuk. You can't tell me a sub 4 million 30 goal/50 points is not worth Jbo as he currently stands. Franzen may look like a worse contract in a few years but from the current standpoint the value is way lopsided.

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