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08-01-2012, 08:36 PM
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Yeah... And risk loosing him as an UFA at 27. That was dumb, dumb deal for Pittsburgh.
They did the same thing with Jordan Staal, signed him until the end of his RFA but a year before his contract ended they offered and he refused a new contract and he was traded. Out of necessity they operate that way but we don't and because of this we allow ourselves to be burned.

Our management would almost certainly not have traded Staal like that so we shouldn't be signing deals that bring players to the end of the RFA unless it's to players that it doesn't matter if we lose them.

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*Identify a core player that you want part of your future*
*Give a pathetic offer*

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They did the same thing with Jordan Staal, signed him until the end of his RFA but a year before his contract ended they offered and he refused a new contract and he was traded. Out of necessity they operate that way but we don't and because of this we allow ourselves to be burned.

Our management would almost certainly not have traded Staal like that so we shouldn't be signing deals that bring players to the end of the RFA unless it's to players that it doesn't matter if we lose them.
Gainey's policy was not to negotiate with players during the season. That's how we got burned with UFAs leaving for nothing over and over again. Sourray, Streit, Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, etc.

It wasn't Gauthier's policy, and there's no reason to think it's Bergevin's policy.

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08-01-2012, 08:42 PM
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If I'm Philadelphia I offersheet Subban a five year contract paying 4.6 million dollars a year.

They could get Subban for the bargain price of a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.
This will be matched...

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This will be matched...
It would. It was wishful thinking on my part as I'd love for the Habs to look up Subban for five years at the bargain price of 4+ million.

Anyway, for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, they can offer 6.3 million (maybe a little higher?), which the Habs would have a hard time matching.

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Gainey's policy was not to negotiate with players during the season. That's how we got burned with UFAs leaving for nothing over and over again. Sourray, Streit, Koivu, Kovalev, Komisarek, etc.

It wasn't Gauthier's policy, and there's no reason to think it's Bergevin's policy.
Staal was traded a month ago, just before the draft. Before the season started Gainey should of either signed those players to extensions or traded them, they are assets to the club and he shouldn't of waited until the trade deadline or the end of the season.

I'm not sure what Bergevin's policy is but I hope it's a lot more about the long-term operation of the club and not knee-jerk reactions.

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It would. It was wishful thinking on my part as I'd love for the Habs to look up Subban for five years at the bargain price of 4+ million.

Anyway, for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, they can offer 6.3 million (maybe a little higher?), which the Habs would have a hard time matching.
"We'd like to thank Gomez for all he has done for the organization and the time spent here and wish him all the best in his new career in Europe."

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"We'd like to thank Gomez for all he has done for the organization and the time spent here and wish him all the best in his new career in Europe."
Thanks for the good laugh :-)

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Hmm... Subban's progression really took off from 20-22. Most of our fan base had more faith in Weber at the time, because he was looking more well rounded and better positionally than Subban in the OHL. Once Subban got a taste of the big leagues, he started progressing very quickly.

Edit: all this to say...at the same age, Beaulieu is nearly identical to Subban. Same deficiencies, same potential, same arrogance.
Nah, Subban went from off the radar at 17, to a surprise addition to Team Canada at 18, to part of the core with Ellis, Tavares and Eberle at 19. In Belleville, his big jump came after the 18 year old WJC and into the OHL playoffs. The next season he was just ridiculously dominant. Pull up the numbers, they'll corroborate all this.

Those fans who thought Weber would turn out better just liked the idea of a solid, less flashy dman. Anyone who watched enough without bias knew better.

Beaulieu hasn't done anything close to what Subban did at 19 internationally. With his Q team, he's a key part of a great team, not a dominant player on a very good team.


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It would. It was wishful thinking on my part as I'd love for the Habs to look up Subban for five years at the bargain price of 4+ million.

Anyway, for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round draft pick, they can offer 6.3 million (maybe a little higher?), which the Habs would have a hard time matching.
At that price, if the alternative is losing Subban, that "hard" decission(sp?)
will take less than 2 seconds. No one in the NHL would fail to match, if someone
offered 6.3 per year for Subban. Habs would perfer to sign him for less, but
they certainly wouldn't consider not matching.
As to your fantacy that Subban might sign for 5 years at 4-something. Forrest
Gmp didn't have your level of optimism.

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They did the same thing with Jordan Staal, signed him until the end of his RFA but a year before his contract ended they offered and he refused a new contract and he was traded. Out of necessity they operate that way but we don't and because of this we allow ourselves to be burned.

Our management would almost certainly not have traded Staal like that so we shouldn't be signing deals that bring players to the end of the RFA unless it's to players that it doesn't matter if we lose them.
Different era with a different management team. Get over it.

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His raise will be based on what is anticipated from him, not on what he's already accomplished. I wouldn't want to pay $4M+ as a reward for what Subban has produced, which has been good but not on all-star level.
Your point sounds oddly familiar.

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Originally Posted by DAChampion
If I'm Philadelphia I offersheet Subban a five year contract paying 4.6 million dollars a year.

They could get Subban for the bargain price of a 1st and 3rd round draft pick.






Yep it's as easy as that

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4.6M per?

MB thinks for a second, then signs Subban.

But actually wait for a full week to piss off Holmgren.

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But I believe Holmgren wouldn't throw $4.6M at Subban. He'd probably do what he attempted to do on Weber but on a smaller scale.

I mean, Holmgren wouldn't have Subban sign a 14-year offer sheet; although the actual cap hit would be in the whereabouts of $6-6.5M, it would be long enough to warrant two firsts, a second and a third (or, if Holmgren extended the sauce a little longer, four firsts) coming the Habs' way if the Habs didn't match, since offer sheet compensation depends on the dollar value of the offer sheet divided by the smaller of the offer sheet length or five years.

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Different era with a different management team. Get over it.
Do you think if Pittsburgh had Gomez, Kaberle and Bourque on their roster they would do more than ask fans to have patience. When this management actually does something that makes it clear they are serious about running a team as a professional enterprise, I'll change my mind.

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Hmm... Subban's progression really took off from 20-22. Most of our fan base had more faith in Weber at the time, because he was looking more well rounded and better positionally than Subban in the OHL. Once Subban got a taste of the big leagues, he started progressing very quickly.

Edit: all this to say...at the same age, Beaulieu is nearly identical to Subban. Same deficiencies, same potential, same arrogance.
Actually, at 19 Subban had taken impressive strides in his overall game. He proved the hype in the AHL during the 2009-2010 season, but his world junior performance in 2009 showed Canada how good he could be.

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No because he will be UFA after his contract.
Exactly. I'd offer a 2 year deal at 3 per or 3 years at 4 per. After that we can look to lock him down for 6 years until he's 32.

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I just hope that contract doesnt end up at the same time then Price.

Can you imagine, Price and Subban UFA at the same time

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Subban's agent is deying it per TSN so no need to over-react.
Seems everyone in here has chosen to ignore this comment and continues bashing Bergevin for attempting to lowball Subban. So I thought I'd quote it and hope it actually does get seen.

Subban's agent has denied the 2 year $5.5 offer that RDS reported.

Carry on.

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Seems everyone in here has chosen to ignore this comment and continues bashing Bergevin for attempting to lowball Subban.
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Seems everyone in here has chosen to ignore this comment and continues bashing Bergevin for attempting to lowball Subban. So I thought I'd quote it and hope it actually does get seen.

Subban's agent has denied the 2 year $5.5 offer that RDS reported.

Carry on.
Bergervin is such an idiot!!! lowballing Subban like this!!!!


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Proposal:

To MONTREAL: Jacob Gardiner, 1st round pick 2013.

To TORONTO: Pernell Karl Subban.

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Proposal:

To MONTREAL: Jacob Gardiner, 1st round pick 2013.

To TORONTO: Pernell Karl Subban.
Please turn off your x-box.

Toronto would be the second to last NHL team to trade with.

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Please turn off your x-box.

Toronto would be the second to last NHL team to trade with.
Sorry bro, I do apologize..

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