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07-29-2012, 12:08 AM
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Read what the "Hockey News" sais about Patrick Kanes flaws, and it sounds very similar to what you were saying about Da Costa.
Kane has flaws no doubt, but Da Costa isn't close to the talent of Patrick Kane.

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Kane has flaws no doubt, but Da Costa isn't close to the talent of Patrick Kane.
All I am saying is don't write the smaller skilled guys off because they lack the weight and strength right now. That will come.

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All I am saying is don't write the smaller skilled guys off because they lack the weight and strength right now. That will come.
He's 23, he's got two or three years more development to put on all that strength and weight. Da Costa's also got to contend with younger players with more developmental time in front of them who are not only competing with him for an NHL role, but are also arguably higher than he is on the depth charts.

The odds of him making the show are smaller than the odds of him being a career star AHLer, IMO.

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All I am saying is don't write the smaller skilled guys off because they lack the weight and strength right now. That will come.
Ya, but Kane always had speed, blazing speed that protected him when entering the league. Da Costa, as previewed in the Phaneuf pasting, doesnt have the fastest wheels and alert sense when entering the league. Not to mention Kane had to do it at a younger age so poor example. I wouldnt write off Da Costa either if he skated like Kane.

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Wonder if DaCosta's NHL career will always be defined by the Phaneuf hit.

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Career AHLer or playing in Europe at some point.

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Wonder if DaCosta's NHL career will always be defined by the Phaneuf hit.
Has it ever been? I forgot that even happened.

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07-30-2012, 02:53 PM
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Ya, but Kane always had speed, blazing speed that protected him when entering the league. Da Costa, as previewed in the Phaneuf pasting, doesnt have the fastest wheels and alert sense when entering the league. Not to mention Kane had to do it at a younger age so poor example. I wouldnt write off Da Costa either if he skated like Kane.
His development path isnt the same due to where he has come from. He has elite level skill now is it elite enough to be a top 6 forward in the nhl? Maybe I dont think everyone around here should forget about him so quickly he has a good amount of talent he just needs to learn the pro game. Certain players develop differently at different times, we saw flashes of brilliance. If the sens didnt have so many forward prospects I dont think so many fans would be so quick to write him off. Same goes for Petersen.

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Career AHLer or playing in Europe at some point.
I wouldn't write him off just yet. He showed some excellent vision and passing abilities in preseason and a few games in regular season before being sent down. Da Costa's main problem is that he has never seen a weight room in his life. If he gets himself on a proper strength and conditioning program then he could be an NHL regular by 2013-2014 season.

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07-31-2012, 04:44 AM
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All I have to say is:

Martin St. Louis... 5'8" weighing in at a monstrous 176 lbs.... WET!! (as per TSN)

- 4 years of NCAA stardom
- a few years in the AHL
- went undrafted and invited to training camp by the Ottawa Senators... who subsequently dismissed him.
- signed as a free agent by the Calgary Flames
- In 2000, after ripping up the AHL for many years, was released by Craig Button (general manager of the Flames) and then signed as a free agent by Tampa Bay. (Basically three and half years of AHL and IHL duty)

NHL tenure with the Lightning includes: (minus a handful of games and points while called up for Calgary)

- Total NHL games played : 931
- NHL goals scored: 323
- NHL assists: 529
- Total NHL points: 852
- Trophies include: Lady Byng x 2, Art Ross (leading scorer), Hart Trophy (MVP),
- Success at the World Championships and the Olympics for Team Canada
- proven playoff performer (when Tampa actually makes the playoffs), and...
- FIVE times named to the All-star team.
- Assistant Captain

- He also has a Stanley Cup ring!

Lets not repeat the mistakes of the past. I say we slowly develop Da Costa over time and see how he rounds out. He has the talent, and as St. Louis has proven, you don't need to be the size of John Scott to succeed.


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07-31-2012, 06:12 PM
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All I have to say is:

Martin St. Louis... 5'8" weighing in at a monstrous 176 lbs.... WET!! (as per TSN)

- 4 years of NCAA stardom
- a few years in the AHL
- went undrafted and invited to training camp by the Ottawa Senators... who subsequently dismissed him.
- signed as a free agent by the Calgary Flames
- In 2000, after ripping up the AHL for many years, was released by Craig Button (general manager of the Flames) and then signed as a free agent by Tampa Bay. (Basically three and half years of AHL and IHL duty)

NHL tenure with the Lightning includes: (minus a handful of games and points while called up for Calgary)

- Total NHL games played : 931
- NHL goals scored: 323
- NHL assists: 529
- Total NHL points: 852
- Trophies include: Lady Byng x 2, Art Ross (leading scorer), Hart Trophy (MVP),
- Success at the World Championships and the Olympics for Team Canada
- proven playoff performer (when Tampa actually makes the playoffs), and...
- FIVE times named to the All-star team.
- Assistant Captain

- He also has a Stanley Cup ring!

Lets not repeat the mistakes of the past. I say we slowly develop Da Costa over time and see how he rounds out. He has the talent, and as St. Louis has proven, you don't need to be the size of John Scott to succeed.
Totally agree

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07-31-2012, 07:21 PM
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Da Costa lacks MSL's speed and defensive instincts.

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Da Costa lacks MSL's speed and defensive instincts.
What? Da Costa is a very strong skater and his defensive instincts are not that far off at all. He is an excellent pick-pocket forward who just needs to gain more experience in keeping up with the pro-game.

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People keep yapping about how he got hammered into the next decade by Phaneuf. What I also keep remembering is Da Costa shaking off that check and getting back into the game.

He is a tough little French man. I think pride will drive him to improve and become an NHL player.

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Glad we signed him! Thought he showed good vision in his stint with the first team, spring callup?

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What? Da Costa is a very strong skater and his defensive instincts are not that far off at all. He is an excellent pick-pocket forward who just needs to gain more experience in keeping up with the pro-game.
Da Costa is a good skater, don't get me wrong. St. Louis is a phenomenal skater, though. One of the best in the game. Defensively, same argument. Da Costa is competent defensively, arguably good even; St. Louis has a 4th place finish in the NHL Selke race. He's one of the best defensive wingers in the game and was doing all of Lecavalier's defensive responsibilities when Tampa was a force in the mid-2000s. And that's playing as a winger. I'd take St. Louis on my PK any day, I don't think I'll ever say the same of Da Costa.

Even offensively, St. Louis is clearly the better player:
Season Age Team League GP G A Pts PPG
1993–9418Vermont CatamountsECAC331536511.55
1994–9519Vermont CatamountsECAC352348712.03
1995–9620Vermont CatamountsECAC352956852.43
1996–9721Vermont CatamountsECAC362436601.67
1997–9822Cleveland LumberjacksIHL561634500.89
1997–9822Saint John FlamesAHL251511261.04

Season Age Team League GP G A Pts PPG
2007–0818Sioux City MusketeersUSHL511225370.73
2008–0919Sioux City MusketeersUSHL483136671.40
2009–1020Merrimack College WarriorsHE341629451.32
2010–1121Merrimack College WarriorsHE331431451.36
2010–1121Ottawa SenatorsNHL40000
2011–1222Ottawa SenatorsNHL223250.23
2011–1222Binghamton SenatorsAHL461323360.78

The bolded are 'comparable years' where they played in similar caliber leagues at the same age. St. Louis's college numbers are insane. St. Louis's worst season - his rookie year at 18 yrs old - was still better than Da Costa's best NCAA season at age 21.

That's not even taking into account that Da Costa's got at least 3 inches on St. Louis, and that St. Louis was draft-eligible and developed during the dead puck era, where size was a much greater factor for GM's than it is today.

The fact is, Martin St. Louis is an unfair comparable for Da Costa because St. Louis is a better player in arguably ever facet of the game, while being an even smaller guy from an era that was even less forgiving when it came to small, skilled players.

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Da Costa is a good skater, don't get me wrong. St. Louis is a phenomenal skater, though. One of the best in the game. Defensively, same argument. Da Costa is competent defensively, arguably good even; St. Louis has a 4th place finish in the NHL Selke race. He's one of the best defensive wingers in the game and was doing all of Lecavalier's defensive responsibilities when Tampa was a force in the mid-2000s. And that's playing as a winger. I'd take St. Louis on my PK any day, I don't think I'll ever say the same of Da Costa.

Even offensively, St. Louis is clearly the better player:
Season Age Team League GP G A Pts PPG
1993–9418Vermont CatamountsECAC331536511.55
1994–9519Vermont CatamountsECAC352348712.03
1995–9620Vermont CatamountsECAC352956852.43
1996–9721Vermont CatamountsECAC362436601.67
1997–9822Cleveland LumberjacksIHL561634500.89
1997–9822Saint John FlamesAHL251511261.04

Season Age Team League GP G A Pts PPG
2007–0818Sioux City MusketeersUSHL511225370.73
2008–0919Sioux City MusketeersUSHL483136671.40
2009–1020Merrimack College WarriorsHE341629451.32
2010–1121Merrimack College WarriorsHE331431451.36
2010–1121Ottawa SenatorsNHL40000
2011–1222Ottawa SenatorsNHL223250.23
2011–1222Binghamton SenatorsAHL461323360.78

The bolded are 'comparable years' where they played in similar caliber leagues at the same age. St. Louis's college numbers are insane. St. Louis's worst season - his rookie year at 18 yrs old - was still better than Da Costa's best NCAA season at age 21.

That's not even taking into account that Da Costa's got at least 3 inches on St. Louis, and that St. Louis was draft-eligible and developed during the dead puck era, where size was a much greater factor for GM's than it is today.

The fact is, Martin St. Louis is an unfair comparable for Da Costa because St. Louis is a better player in arguably ever facet of the game, while being an even smaller guy from an era that was even less forgiving when it came to small, skilled players.
I agree he doesnt have St Louis skating but I dont think its a terrible comparison. Yeah he isnt hart level talent but I certainly think he can score at the NHL level. His adjustment really started to show in the second half of his stint in bingo its not easy adjusting to a pro game and he really started to show strides. I hope he gets a good look.

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I agree he doesnt have St Louis skating but I dont think its a terrible comparison. Yeah he isnt hart level talent but I certainly think he can score at the NHL level. His adjustment really started to show in the second half of his stint in bingo its not easy adjusting to a pro game and he really started to show strides. I hope he gets a good look.
I agree with all of this, I just get the feeling that some people think Da Costa's a lock to make the NHL as a 2C on a contending team. He's got a ways to go before he's NHL ready, let alone anchoring a second line on a contender.

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I agree with all of this, I just get the feeling that some people think Da Costa's a lock to make the NHL as a 2C on a contending team. He's got a ways to go before he's NHL ready, let alone anchoring a second line on a contender.
Ya you make good points, he has a very active stick he picked off alot of passes in the neutral zone. I think his hockey sense and hand eye is elite he may turn out to be a two way type centerman as he continues to develop making him pretty versatile. He is very much in the mold of a high end skill player like a Datysuk, St Louis just not quite the same ceiling. Perhaps a Derek Roy? Id be happy with any of those considering it took no assets to aquire him. That goal he scored with the give and go with Karlsson against the leafs last year was something not many players can do.

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You guys can't be serious with the St. Louis comparisons can you?

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Da Costa is an unique player, I don't think there's a actual comparison in the NHL, but you can see glimpses of Datsyuk for sure. Poor man's Datsyuk would be his ceiling. It depends what kind of role he can carve out in the NHL, it could be a 2nd line center or a 2-way 3rd line center. He has the vision, the playmaking, the shot, the instincts, the smarts,... everything but strenght

However, we only saw him play in the NHL when he was FRESH OUT OF COLLEGE. We'll see if he took advantage of the time he had since but I think some people are selling him short because he played at the VERY BEGINNING of last season, as a NHL rookie, and even as a PRO ROOKIE. He made a very big jump and people should be aware of that.

Give him some time

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You guys can't be serious with the St. Louis comparisons can you?
I really hope they aren't.

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I don't see him anything more than a 70 point player.
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I don't see him anything more than a 70 point player.
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Surely you meant less than a 70 point player

I see him as maybe a 50 point guy if everything pans out right. More likely a 40 pt guy or a career AHL star.

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