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View Poll Results: Who is our #9 prospect?
Kenneth Agostino (20, Yale/ECAC) 2 1.52%
Teddy Blueger (17, Shattuck St. Mary's/USHS) 18 13.64%
Robert Bortuzzo (23, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 44 33.33%
Nick D'Agostino (22, Cornell/ECAC) 3 2.27%
Ben Hanowski (21, St. Cloud State/WCHA) 2 1.52%
Tom Kühnhackl (20, Niagara IceDogs/OHL) 29 21.97%
Matia Marcantuoni (18, Kitchener Rangers/OHL) 15 11.36%
Brian Strait (24, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 18 13.64%
Dominik Uher (19, Spokane Chiefs/WHL) 1 0.76%
Keven Veilleux (23, Wilkes-Barre/AHL) 0 0%
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08-02-2012, 09:46 AM
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Penguins #9 prospect

How the mighty has fallen: Tangradi slips from 1st, 1st and 2nd in the previous 3 years to 8th this time. Added Marc Antuony.

2012 poll results
#1 Joe Morrow (45.37% in #1 poll, 52.00% in runoff)
#2 Simon Després (43.98% in #1 poll, 48.00% in runoff)
#3 Brian Dumoulin (38.15%)
#4 Beau Bennett (35.50%)
#5 Derrick Pouliot (43.21%)
#6 Scott Harrington (58.33%)
#7 Olli Mättää (87.40%)
#8 Eric Tangradi (61.65%)

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08-02-2012, 09:55 AM
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Voted Bortuzzo.

Add Sundqvist. He was taken in the 3rd, the FO must see something they like in the kid.

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08-02-2012, 09:59 AM
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Vote Macaroni or you're a godless comm'nist. At this point the D we have are all projected bottom pairing guys. Have to go with the big risk, big upside forwards.


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It's Bortuzzo's time to shine.

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I can sense the group-think setting in already. For shame...

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At this point the D we have are all projected bottom pairing guys.
Except that's not true -- both Bortuzzo and D'Agostino still project as 2nd-pairing D-men if they continue to develop as planned and reach their ceilings.

Anyways, went with Big Bort. Add Scott Wilson.

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It's pretty much a tie between D'Agostino and Bortuzzo.

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Except that's not true -- both Bortuzzo and D'Agostino still project as 2nd-pairing D-men if they continue to develop as planned and reach their ceilings.

Anyways, went with Big Bort. Add Scott Wilson.
Even given who is in front of him on the likely Depth Chart of the Future ™, and even given a trade or retirement of someone like Martin or Orpik, you think Bortuzzo would make the Top 4?

Letang
Despres
Morrow
Dumoulin
Harrington?

And that's if we lose both Orpik and Martin. Odds one sticks around for another couple years is pretty high. On this team I'd say Strait and Bortuzzo are not likely to move beyond the bottom pairing, if the other youngsters develop even 80% of their potential. At least based on the Scuderi-like comments I've ready about Strait and Bortuzzo from fans who've watched them a lot in WBS ("steady", "nothing flashy but reliable", etc)..

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Even given who is in front of him on the likely Depth Chart of the Future ™, and even given a trade or retirement of someone like Martin or Orpik, you think Bortuzzo would make the Top 4?

Letang
Despres
Morrow
Dumoulin
Harrington?

And that's if we lose both Orpik and Martin. Odds one sticks around for another couple years is pretty high.
I just mean in general. I'm ranking these guys on their NHL potential, not what kind of impact they project to have on the Pens specifically.

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Even given who is in front of him on the likely Depth Chart of the Future ™, and even given a trade or retirement of someone like Martin or Orpik, you think Bortuzzo would make the Top 4?

Letang
Despres
Morrow
Dumoulin
Harrington?

And that's if we lose both Orpik and Martin. Odds one sticks around for another couple years is pretty high. On this team I'd say Strait and Bortuzzo are not likely to move beyond the bottom pairing, if the other youngsters develop even 80% of their potential. At least based on the Scuderi-like comments I've ready about Strait and Bortuzzo from fans who've watched them ("steady", "nothing flashy but reliable", etc)..
It's not that he will make the top 4, it's that his upside is a top 4 dman which makes him a very valuable prospect. So we are voting on how strong of a prospect he is. He's NHL ready in a bottom pairing role with potential to be top 4? Yeah I'll rank that ahead of the speedster who was a boom or bust pick.

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It's pretty much a tie between D'Agostino and Bortuzzo.
Yeah, even though I think D'Agger's ceiling is slightly higher, I went with Bort since he's been gettin' it done in WBS.

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Even given who is in front of him on the likely Depth Chart of the Future ™, and even given a trade or retirement of someone like Martin or Orpik, you think Bortuzzo would make the Top 4?

Letang
Despres
Morrow
Dumoulin
Harrington?

And that's if we lose both Orpik and Martin. Odds one sticks around for another couple years is pretty high. On this team I'd say Strait and Bortuzzo are not likely to move beyond the bottom pairing, if the other youngsters develop even 80% of their potential. At least based on the Scuderi-like comments I've ready about Strait and Bortuzzo from fans who've watched them a lot in WBS ("steady", "nothing flashy but reliable", etc)..
being top 4 on our depth chart and being top 4 quality aren't the same thing. He can be our number 5 and still be a top 4 d-man. Staal has been a top 6 player for years even though he's played on our 3rd line.

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It's not that he will make the top 4, it's that his upside is a top 4 dman which makes him a very valuable prospect. So we are voting on how strong of a prospect he is. He's NHL ready in a bottom pairing role with potential to be top 4? Yeah I'll rank that ahead of the speedster who was a boom or bust pick.
Macaroni is no mere Kolstov-like speedster. A serious injury limited his scoresheet. Soon the golden light of Macaroni will shine bright on western PA. Or Ontario as the case may be.

The way I look at prospects is first upside (if the skillz aren't there you can't vote them ahead of someone with the skillz), and then how likely he is to contribute to the team at that level in a couple years. Will he be good enough to take that spot? But I can see the opposite argument also, just looking at them as pure assets (something that could be traded for example).

This is the reason why we should define the voting criteria ahead of time. Then we can proclaim our poll results to be the ultimate authority on prospects.

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Macaroni is no mere Kolstov-like speedster. A serious injury limited his scoresheet. Soon the golden light of Macaroni will shine bright on western PA. Or Ontario as the case may be.
You are right. After I read my post I realized I wasn't giving him enough credit for his skill I just didn't edit it in time. I guess I just need to see another year before we can give this guy a higher ranking.

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The way I look at prospects is first upside (if the skillz aren't there you can't vote them ahead of someone with the skillz), and then how likely he is to contribute to the team at that level in a couple years. Will he be good enough to take that spot? But I can see the opposite argument also, just looking at them as pure assets (something that could be traded for example).

This is the reason why we should define the voting criteria ahead of time. Then we can proclaim our poll results to be the ultimate authority on prospects.
My prospect rankings are similar, but I don't consider what role they will serve on the team but rather their upside to any team. The upside of Bortuzzo, from all the accounts I've read and from watching him, are 2nd pairing 2 way guy with size and willingness to play the body and drop the gloves. The fact that he will likely never be a 2nd pairing guy here doesn't lessen that ranking for me.

Macaroni may have 1st line winger upside, but there is significant risk to hitting this upside. Because he isn't close to NHL ready, his higher risk of not making the NHL outweighs his extra upside over Bort (since 1st line wingers aren't THAT much more coveted than 2nd pairing dmen IMO).

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I shall leave it you, the citizens of HFB then, to calculate these mystical rankings. This FA summer has left my brain fried. Need to tune out for a while. Look forward to my next visit, when I discover Shero has signed Brian "Almost 40 and Ready to Party" Rolston to a painful cap hit.

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My prospect rankings are similar, but I don't consider what role they will serve on the team but rather their upside to any team. The upside of Bortuzzo, from all the accounts I've read and from watching him, are 2nd pairing 2 way guy with size and willingness to play the body and drop the gloves. The fact that he will likely never be a 2nd pairing guy here doesn't lessen that ranking for me.

Macaroni may have 1st line winger upside, but there is significant risk to hitting this upside. Because he isn't close to NHL ready, his higher risk of not making the NHL outweighs his extra upside over Bort (since 1st line wingers aren't THAT much more coveted than 2nd pairing dmen IMO).
That's a big part for me. Sure, Macaroni could be a top line winger some day. But he could also never skate in the NHL. There is enough risk of that with him that I don't think his higher upside outweighs it compared to Bortuzzo.

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I don't see how Strait and Bortuzzo aren't in the top ten. I voted for Strait but I think you could go either way. They are pretty much the same but Bort is 6'4" and that's something Strait can never achieve. I just think Strait is a better skater.

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Strait for me.

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Tomorrow I will finally be able to vote! Will be voting Bortuzzo because of his top 4 upside and will most likely be playing in the NHL this year.

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voted Bort, Strait next

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I voted Bortuzzo. I think people sell him short when saying he'll be nothing more than a bottom pair defenseman.

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Went with Strait. Thought he was steady as you could expect a rookie to be during his call-ups.

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