I thought i remember capgeek stating that the schenn contract only lowered the first season. This season is different. Might be wrong but thought thats what he said.
You are right. The bonus regarding games played only applied to last season. Schenn's (and several other ELCs) would still be lower if there's a cushion, but we'll see. You can't figure in the good aspects of a new CBA without considering what might not be there (a 70 mill cap), so just use one or the other.
I don't understand the point of blowing this team up (IE trading numerous core players and picks for Weber, Ryan, or Nash) Last year couldn't have worked out much better after trading Richards and Carter for youth (considering what happened to Pronger). After last season, the teams priorities should have been
1. Bring in a assistant coach or consultant who can help implement better team defense (as bad as our d was at times I don't think the individual dmen were that bad except Carle)
2. DO NOT resign Carle and let Gus and Bourdon get their shot (It would have been nice to sign Garrison but that didn't happen)
3. Sign Voracek (he is underrated like no other, is only 22, will most likely put up over 50 points, was one of our better two way players, is probably the best on the team at getting the puck up the ice and in the o-zone, and would have cost less than $4.5m).
4. Don't re-sign Jagr (with the youth moving up, one of the top 6 would have to go and I'd go with Jagr considering his health last year and how he slowed down as the season went on) Even after trading JVR I would have let him go because he wanted too much money for what he brings at this point.
With that, we would have had a better team than last year, and we were pretty damn good last year. I'd expect Couturier and B.Schenn to be much better this year and most of Voracek, Read, Simmonds, Gus, Bourdon, Wellwood, and Rinaldo to be better than last year. Also Carle is gone.
Trading JVR for L. Schenn is not that big of a deal because they are both in the same boat (even though I think we should have received a pick in that deal) and we could use a promising young dman more than a promising young forward. However when you combine that with the loss of Jagr, it brings a need for another forward and makes Voracek's signing 10x more important.
I don't understand the point of blowing this team up (IE trading numerous core players and picks for Weber, Ryan, or Nash) Last year couldn't have worked out much better after trading Richards and Carter for youth (considering what happened to Pronger). After last season, the teams priorities should have been
1. Bring in a assistant coach or consultant who can help implement better team defense (as bad as our d was at times I don't think the individual dmen were that bad except Carle)
2. DO NOT resign Carle and let Gus and Bourdon get their shot (It would have been nice to sign Garrison but that didn't happen)
3. Sign Voracek (he is underrated like no other, is only 22, will most likely put up over 50 points, was one of our better two way players, is probably the best on the team at getting the puck up the ice and in the o-zone, and would have cost less than $4.5m).
4. Don't re-sign Jagr (with the youth moving up, one of the top 6 would have to go and I'd go with Jagr considering his health last year and how he slowed down as the season went on) Even after trading JVR I would have let him go because he wanted too much money for what he brings at this point.
With that, we would have had a better team than last year, and we were pretty damn good last year. I'd expect Couturier and B.Schenn to be much better this year and most of Voracek, Read, Simmonds, Gus, Bourdon, Wellwood, and Rinaldo to be better than last year. Also Carle is gone.
Trading JVR for L. Schenn is not that big of a deal because they are both in the same boat (even though I think we should have received a pick in that deal) and we could use a promising young dman more than a promising young forward. However when you combine that with the loss of Jagr, it brings a need for another forward and makes Voracek's signing 10x more important.
I assume your being sarcastic. If not, you misread, I was writing what they should have done, not what they should do now.
I can only speak for myself; I knew what you meant, but I think it's crazy to suggest that this team should not give up assets for weber. He's the best defenseman in the league, and if we let this team develop for centuries they wouldn't be as good as they'd be with weber. If you have a chance to get Shea weber without gutting your team, you do it, end of story. If all we have to give up for weber is either 4 1sts, or voracek and Meszaros and a couple of those firsts, this team will be better and I will be ecstatic. As should you.
I can only speak for myself; I knew what you meant, but I think it's crazy to suggest that this team should not give up assets for weber. He's the best defenseman in the league, and if we let this team develop for centuries they wouldn't be as good as they'd be with weber. If you have a chance to get Shea weber without gutting your team, you do it, end of story. If all we have to give up for weber is either 4 1sts, or voracek and Meszaros and a couple of those firsts, this team will be better and I will be ecstatic. As should you.
I would be ecstatic too, especially if its only 4 1sts but the talk about trading Couturier and or/ multiple forwards scares me. If we trade two of Couturier, B. Schenn, Voracek, or Read. We're going to have a forward problem. Voracek and Mez with two firsts coming back seems to be the most favorable trade being mentioned. I'd definitely be happy with that trade. Just hoping it doesn't turn into him gutting the team.
I would be ecstatic too, especially if its only 4 1sts but the talk about trading Couturier and or/ multiple forwards scares me. If we trade two of Couturier, B. Schenn, Voracek, or Read. We're going to have a forward problem. Voracek and Mez with two firsts coming back seems to be the most favorable trade being mentioned. I'd definitely be happy with that trade. Just hoping it doesn't turn into him gutting the team.
I really don't know why people are so scared of Schenn and Couturier being traded. Homer has stated numerous times he is not trading them. If he wanted to he would have traded them for Weber and Ryan already. Both of them teams demanded those players via trade and Homer said no thank you. That is part of the reason he offer sheeted Weber. Homer pretty said "you think you have leverage by trying to demand high for Weber? Well he isn't happy there and you cannot pay him so lets see if we can play a game of chicken". The rest is history.
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Mike Knuble ($2.000m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Shea Weber ($7.854m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.709m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,034,694; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,165,306
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m)
Mike Knuble ($2.000m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Shea Weber ($7.854m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.709m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,034,694; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,165,306
Also would NOT want Knuble back.... I'd rather Jay Pandolfo.
Don't want either player to be quite frank.
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Originally Posted by cdugan
Voracek Mez and if we had to a small pick or prospect.
Would be nice but i don't think Murray will agree to that trade. He wants a higher return. At the moment it doesn't look to be a bad situation right now in Anaheim where the asking price would drop. I don't think Ryan will be moved unless the supreme offer comes to Murray. He still has the cards in his hands unless Ryan starts showing any discontent.
Guys, stop making insane trades for Ryan and co., teams will export more back than Vora and a 1st, and in fact, the Ducks wouldn't pull the deal without Couts, which means the deal won't happen, so get Ryan out of your heads.
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Shane Doan ($7.400m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,541,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,658,056
This year is the year that I say we should build our future top 6. Go with:
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)/ Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m
Matt Read ($0.900m)/ Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Wellwood
Ruslan Fedotenko/ Maxime Talbot / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)/Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825
