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08-02-2012, 03:16 PM
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Package him a bunch of crap for a 2nd line winger.(Bourque, 2nd,etc)

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He would have to go trough waivers in order to be sent to the AHL. If he's not claims, it means we couldn't have traded him. If he's claimed then we'll have lost him for nothing.

I'm puzzled you mentionned Ryan McDonagh. He was drafted the same year as Weber yet he's now a top pairing defensemen. McDonagh might have been in the NHL and certainly AHL earlier if he didn't opt to stay this long at Uni since he ended up becaming a NHL regular in his first pro season. A far cry from Beauchemin or Hainsey who became regulars in their mid 20ies after getting waived.

Weber could become a decent defensemen down the road but I'm not sure we can afford to be patient with him with so many good young defensemen coming up. With Ellis, Beaulieu, Tinordi and another waive of good prospects in Dietz and Thrower coming after them there won't be place left for him.
I don't think losing Weber to waiver is too much of a concern. The loss on the waiver is whatever 6th round draft pick we could have had for Weber. The potential gain is higher as he could actually develop.

I think the odds of getting value out of Weber are low, but we might as well take that those odds.

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08-02-2012, 03:31 PM
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Victim of our redundent defense i guess. Also playing him as a forward sometimes on the fourth line was not the right option for his developement. All i can say is come to camp and win yourself a spot kido.
Pretty much. People like to point out his time up as a point of discussion towards the "he hasn't developed as expected". The guy barely plays his natural position. I am unsure of what he'll actually become but reality is, this isn't helping him either way. Maybe he'd be the same if he played d or if he didn't, but if you want to develop him, please no more 4th line wing crap.

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Pretty much. People like to point out his time up as a point of discussion towards the "he hasn't developed as expected". The guy barely plays his natural position. I am unsure of what he'll actually become but reality is, this isn't helping him either way. Maybe he'd be the same if he played d or if he didn't, but if you want to develop him, please no more 4th line wing crap.
I think its rarely that he plays 4th line wing instead of D, its that he plays 4th line wing instead of sitting in the press box. When there are at least 6 D playing better than you, you don't play D, but in Weber's case he's also entered the lineup at F when there were injuries.

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08-02-2012, 03:44 PM
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Good trade this loser to edmonton for ryan whitney in last year of his contract,because you need some size and left handed shot to run powerplay if markov can't play full season.

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08-02-2012, 03:47 PM
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I think its rarely that he plays 4th line wing instead of D, its that he plays 4th line wing instead of sitting in the press box. When there are at least 6 D playing better than you, you don't play D, but in Weber's case he's also entered the lineup at F when there were injuries.
Be it as it may, people look at the GP and assume it's as a D. It isn't, that's my point.

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Hamilton is nice

Anyway, too small, not agressive enough, and his offensive game never translated to the NHL. The guy with the big shot never hit the freakin' net! or, more often, shot it into the goalie.

I'd rather have them call up Nash or St Denis in case of injury.

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08-02-2012, 04:06 PM
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A lot of people were writing off Pacioretty after 86 games.

I still have faith in Weber. Next season is make or break as far as his days with the Canadiens are concerned though.

He has the tools. Hopefully he has trained hard this summer and comes to camp in great shape, looking to prove his worth.

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Hamilton is nice

Anyway, too small, not agressive enough, and his offensive game never translated to the NHL. The guy with the big shot never hit the freakin' net! or, more often, shot it into the goalie.

I'd rather have them call up Nash or St Denis in case of injury.
Nash was atrocious in his call up and just missed a year. St-Denis is a little smarter, but softer and left handed Weber.

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08-02-2012, 04:34 PM
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This is definitely Weber's final chance with this team. He showed good things last season in the first 15 games or so. He was doing what we expected him on the Powerplay and he was playing good defensively. He was outplaying Subban at that stage and then I don't know what happened, might have been an injury or him getting benched by Martin but after that he wasn't the same and he started playing like the Weber we've been seeing in the last two years. Some people have to realize that he's the same age as Subban and that normally defensemen take longer to develop than any other position. He has some interesting tools and could still become a light version of Streit. But he has to change a couple of things on how he plays. He has to stop calling for the puck on the PP only to hesitate to shoot at the last minute and pass it back to his D partner. His positioning defensively is average but he absolutely has to be paired with another defenseman who plays a rugged game and clears the net because that's where Weber struggles the most imo. He's strong enough to hold his own behind the net and beside the boards to break the play and he doesn't really shy away from contact either. The thing is all of our current NHL defensemen are ahead of him on the depth chart and Diaz is what Weber should be in a couple of years so he doesn't have that going for him.
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Package him a bunch of crap for a 2nd line winger.(Bourque, 2nd,etc)
Those kind of posts make me laugh. You just said it yourself, what you're offering is crap so why would a team be willing to deal a top 6 forward for that package. If offer you some mac and cheese with McDonalds fries along with a half empty bag of Doritos would you give me a 16 oz steak? Hell no. It's the same for GMs when they get offered other people's crap.

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He's as good as gone imho.

Im not a big fan of Weber but i do think he could find his niche as a # 5-6th D and big shot PP specialist on another team. With the right development and icetime i still think he could reach his potential and be a regular somewhere. Just not in Montreal , especially with all the upcoming young defensemens in the system.

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08-02-2012, 04:35 PM
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Nash was atrocious in his call up and just missed a year. St-Denis is a little smarter, but softer and left handed Weber.
I fail to see how St-Denis is softer than Weber...

As for the topic : I concur.

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08-02-2012, 04:39 PM
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I fail to see how St-Denis is softer than Weber...

As for the topic : I concur.
I've actually seen Weber throw a hit. Then there's this.



Stupid penalty, but this too.






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08-02-2012, 04:58 PM
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I've actually seen Weber throw a hit. Then there's this.



Stupid penalty, but this too.





Loved the Cole one. That was a beautiful drive by.

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08-02-2012, 05:39 PM
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this goal was huge... i remember letting out a sigh of relief

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKYCggSRkqI

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He should shut the **** up and play

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08-02-2012, 05:46 PM
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Maybe he reads HFboards. Not a wise thing to do when you're an NHLer

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I think he can be an NHL player, but i just don't see it happening in Montreal. My guess is that we keep him around as our 8th d-man/13th forward unless we can get a 3rd or something for him.

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08-02-2012, 06:29 PM
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Patience young grasshoppers.

We've all seen the team give away young prospects after a couple of years with the Habs only to see them develop into solid players elsewhere. Lapierre, D'Agostini, O'Byrne, S Kost, Grabovski comes to mind.

Weber is on a good contract and he provides the team with great depth. His numbers both in the OHL and the AHL were solid and are testament to his potential.

2006-07 Kitchener Rangers OHL 51 13 28 41
2007-08 Kitchener Rangers OHL 59 20 35 55
2008-09 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 68 16 28 44
2009-10 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 65 7 25 32
2010-11 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 15 8 4 12

We've got a new coach, GM, and supporting cast that can help him succeed. Let's give him some time and we might be pleasantry surprised by the reward.

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This thread is my early nominee for the offseason crow-eater meeting place award.

I can't believe I just witnessed Nash and st-denis listed as nhlers .

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Nash was atrocious in his call up
Do you jump to conclusions and make snap judgments often? He actually wasn't bad and had only two games to prove what he could do. Your approach to assessing players sounds much like the approach Gainey/Gauthier used when they rated McDonagh.

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He should shut the **** up and play
Nice advice Myron. God forbid the guy expresses a desire to play and then some brilliant comment like yours appears.

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Patience young grasshoppers.

We've all seen the team give away young prospects after a couple of years with the Habs only to see them develop into solid players elsewhere. Lapierre, D'Agostini, O'Byrne, S Kost, Grabovski comes to mind.

Weber is on a good contract and he provides the team with great depth. His numbers both in the OHL and the AHL were solid and are testament to his potential.

2006-07 Kitchener Rangers OHL 51 13 28 41
2007-08 Kitchener Rangers OHL 59 20 35 55
2008-09 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 68 16 28 44
2009-10 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 65 7 25 32
2010-11 Hamilton Bulldogs AHL 15 8 4 12

We've got a new coach, GM, and supporting cast that can help him succeed. Let's give him some time and we might be pleasantry surprised by the reward.
This. Let Le Jeune Vebére show what he can do here for one moar season. He's shown flashes early last season, which brings up the fact that he has the tools to succeed.

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