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08-02-2012, 10:56 PM
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Not talking next year. talking this year
Yes but if the Bounses are achieved and cannot be paid this year they are added to next years cap so it isn't a big deal. We have 3.5 million in cap space with Babchuck on the cap and at this point he is the odd man out.

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I really think that the Leafs still have something to say about the cap situation so you are right. If Burke wants to improve the Leafs he has top look at NYI, Aneheim or Pheonix.
Ottawa needs to deal for Luongo and wammo, Cup contender, that's to clarify to all the Ottawa fans who didn't see through what I laid out initially in the cap thread starter.

If you haven't read it go back and check it out and also see the capgeek.com web sight and do some research before you respond for your teams GM's needs.

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Yes but if the Bounses are achieved and cannot be paid this year they are added to next years cap so it isn't a big deal. We have 3.5 million in cap space with Babchuck on the cap and at this point he is the odd man out.
OK, but really, the B's are in tough on 2 fronts, Goalie of the future and cap space of this year. What do you think may be some options at Goal and Top line. A trade may need to be made during the season?

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Seriously don't get what's different about the threads, though, besides his including the top 6.

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Seriously don't get what's different about the threads, though, besides his including the top 6.
Nice picture but lets talk about the thread at hand, if you want to deal with the other thread then go back to that.

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I really think that the Leafs still have something to say about the cap situation so you are right. If Burke wants to improve the Leafs he has top look at NYI, Aneheim or Pheonix.
Ottawa needs to deal for Luongo and wammo, Cup contender, that's to clarify to all the Ottawa fans who didn't see through what I laid out initially in the cap thread starter.

If you haven't read it go back and check it out and also see the capgeek.com web sight and do some research before you respond for your teams GM's needs.
It is bananas to think that cap dump players will be given actual value in trades. If I am correctly reading your point, you think that teams like PHX and NYI will need big money contracts to reach the floor.

Teams that have useless cap-dump players like Gomez and Komisarek (they do have hockey value but not enough to justify their caphits) won't get any value for them if they are traded to PHX or NYI because there aren't enough teams that will need such players to make a real market and teams like the Leafs, Habs, Rangers, etc will benefit by avoiding paying those players, so they will return future considerations or equivalently low picks. No team is going to get real assets in exchange for their cap dump, and before anybody thinks of suggesting that this kind of trade would be cap circumvention, Dallas did it last year with Eric Nystrom, who they got to reach the floor and gave only "future considerations" to Minnesota.

"If Burke wants to improve the Leafs" he won't be able to do it by trading Komisarek or any other cap dump player.

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He'd probably have to make the team worse to drop some of those contracts.

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He'd probably have to make the team worse to drop some of those contracts.
Here I disagree, as I think there will be enough gap between the floor and NYI/PHX that there will be a chance to dump those players without giving up other assets. Assuming that the cap/floor for next year is at the current level of course.

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It is bananas to think that cap dump players will be given actual value in trades. If I am correctly reading your point, you think that teams like PHX and NYI will need big money contracts to reach the floor.

Teams that have useless cap-dump players like Gomez and Komisarek (they do have hockey value but not enough to justify their caphits) won't get any value for them if they are traded to PHX or NYI because there aren't enough teams that will need such players to make a real market and teams like the Leafs, Habs, Rangers, etc will benefit by avoiding paying those players, so they will return future considerations or equivalently low picks. No team is going to get real assets in exchange for their cap dump, and before anybody thinks of suggesting that this kind of trade would be cap circumvention, Dallas did it last year with Eric Nystrom, who they got to reach the floor and gave only "future considerations" to Minnesota.

"If Burke wants to improve the Leafs" he won't be able to do it by trading Komisarek or any other cap dump player.
Hey Mr.Misty, it's not about evreyones favorite whipping boy from TO, he actually is a good media guy and Dan Russell favorite of mine from my Vcr years. The fact remains that Burke has a chance to deal within the perimeters of the original cap layout as provided by yours truely in the initial thread. So Brian, do what you want, I will provide some help, just let me know?

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The Nucks signed Mallet today and will be signing Gaunce and Lack soon. That will put them at 47/50 contracts. EDIT: Though Gaunce will probably slide next year back in OHL.

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Ottawa may have 20 1-way contracts, but at this point one D and one F on a two-way will make it... meaning 28 non-roster contracts according to your count. Also, Puempel and Noesen's contracts will slide and don't count. They're fine in this regard.

As for getting to the floor... this CBA is done, it's meaningless.

They certainly do NOT need 2 bottom 6 forwards. But you're right they need a #1 D.
This.

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Hey Mr.Misty, it's not about evreyones favorite whipping boy from TO, he actually is a good media guy and Dan Russell favorite of mine from my Vcr years. The fact remains that Burke has a chance to deal within the perimeters of the original cap layout as provided by yours truely in the initial thread. So Brian, do you want, i will provide some help, just let me know?
I can't understand this post at all.

Again, if you think that the current situation will allow some teams to trade big money, low performance players (just picked Komisarek and Gomez as an example), I would expect that the value of those players has gone from negative (a team must include assets to get another team to take that player) to zero (future considerations/extreme longshot prospect in exchange) when teams that will have difficulty reaching the floor are the destination.

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Check the below, it's a rehash of original thread.
Question is... what will your team do now!For the Capgeek followers this is basically a thread for the top 6 and the bottom 6 in relation to cap ceiling and cap floor. If the cap were a cup it would be overflowing for Boston and Minny and turned almost upside down for the Isles and Coyotes.

So let's explore the cap situations of the top six and bottom six keeping in mind that the cap levels for 2012-13 are $54,000,000 -$70,000,000

The Top 6
1. Boston - No Space but have Tim Thomas (sitting out a year and potentially waived NTC for cap relief purposes to bottom 6 and Tukka Rask unwilling to sign an extension, goaltending is an issue. Thomas cap hit is $5,000,000

2. Minnesota - No Space
3. Calgary - No Space (25 Non roster players and 23 Roster players for 48 of 50 allowable signed contracts. They have 3.5 in cap space but also have 3.1 in bonuses. The only movement maybe Bowwmeester at 2 years 6.68 cap

4. Philadelphia - No Space they do have Pronger at 5M which could allow for some space but they also have 23 on the roster and 25 on Non Roster leaving only 2 contracts available.
5. Vancouver - 2.3M in Cap Space but have Luongo at 5.33M their roster has 23 but only 21 Non-Roster spots so prospect pool extremely low. The fix would seem to be deal Luongo for 3-4 prospects and have 7.7M for say Doan or trade dead-line addition

6. San Jose - Possibly in the worst spot of the top 6, they have only 20 roster players under contract and have 23 Non Roster players signed for 43 of 50 signed contracts. They need 2 forwards to replace Moore and Winchester and possibly a backup goalie. They need the 3 players and have 5M in space. Available prospects are D. Matt Tennyson 2yrs @1.175M and F. Freddie Hamilton 3 x 870K

Special consideration in the top 6 may be Toronto and Aneheim with 3 roster spots open and plenty of prospects and cap space to make deals to the top 6 or better the bottom 6 who all need to make up roster positions and Cap space to floor ratio


The Bottom 6
Starting from the bottom of the Cup wishers are:
1. Phoenix - about 8M shy of the cap floor, no owner and no Shane Doan under contract top help the situation. They are in serious trouble as they also have 22 players under contract with 23 Non-Roster players. The 22 players are filled with weak contracts as they really need 2 NHL ready Defensemen and 1 Forward at least.
The Coyotes can trade from a heavy prospect pool including some of the following.
D. O.E Larsson 1.75 on Roster 1 yr, Michael Stone D on roster EL 1.315M, NON Roster players are: D. Brandon Gormley EL 3 Yrs 1.315, D. Conner Murphy EL 3 yrs 1.107M, G Mark Visentin EL 3 YR 870K amnd F. Brett Hextall EL 875K

2. New York Isles - 5.2 M short of the floor which includes 2M in bonus's.
The Wang Group are in the worst shape regarding prospects as all of theirs' are already in the NHL, thus the low payroll. They only have 19players and need to get to the 23 man roster and have only 22 on the Non Roster so 41 contracts in total.
They need at least 4 players before season starts, 2-3 defense and 2 forwards and what's unbelieveably dumb on the part of Snow and more so Boyes' agent is knowing this and they still only signed Brad Boyes to 1M cap hit?
They do have the following prospects but need NHL ready players so maybe an smart GM could pick up one or two of: F. Ryan Strome 3 x EL 1.744, Mike Halmo 3 x 1.775, F. Brock Nelson 3x 2.825 D. Calvin deHann 2 x 1.470 ot G. Anders Nilsson at 2 x 1.750

3. Ottawa - 20 roster players but 30 Non-roster. they are full at 50 contracts and with bonuses are 3.2 M short of the Cap floor. They need to move prospects for 1 D-man and 2 bottom 6 forwards:
Propsects available are F. Matt Puempel 3 x 1.106, F. Mike Zibanejad 3 x 1.744, F. Mark Stone 3 x 873K and Goalies Robin Lerner 2 x 870K and Stefan Noesen 3 x 1.106
Best bet here would be to work with Vancouver and solve some issues for both teams.
I'll broker the talks

4. Winnipeg - 21 roster spots and league low 17 Non-Rosters spots ( they have worked the AHL team as a hybrid using the AHL teams payroll signing players directly to AHL deals, however they do need prospects. Right now only Mark Scheifele at 3 x 1.594 may be NHL ready. They are 2M under the floor but it does seem imminent that Kane will be signed for close to 5.5M and likely Spencer Machacek as well and that will fill the roster and meet floor demands. Watch for the Jets to make deals next off-season

5/6. Dallas/St.Louis both at the floor with bonus's making them eke over, I guess it's no wonder the Stars signed Jagr...hello NYI

Nashville and NYR also need 2 players to hit the roster limit so the Month of August could be interesting.

What moves do you think that the top 6 vs bottom 6 should make and what about the Leafs, Aneheim and SJ still needing 3 players to hit the roster mins.

Just when you thought it was winding down it looks as though these teams with the Cup in mind, better start with a glass half full approach.

THOUGHTS?

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Cap: Apply 2012-13 Cap Space
Team Payroll Bonuses Cap Space Roster

Boston Bruins $69,922,143 $3,912,500 $277,857 23
Minnesota Wild $68,848,867 $1,377,500 $1,351,133 23
Vancouver Canucks $67,768,333 $0 $2,431,667 23
Calgary Flames $66,668,332 $3,105,000 $3,531,668 23
Philadelphia Flyers $66,643,373 $2,705,000 $3,556,627 23
San Jose Sharks $64,629,167 $0 $5,570,833 20
Montreal Canadiens $63,897,976 $300,000 $6,302,024 23
Tampa Bay Lightning $63,246,916 $750,000 $6,953,084 23
Edmonton Oilers $62,933,333 $11,962,500 $7,266,667 24
Chicago Blackhawks $62,445,128 $587,500 $7,754,872 23
Los Angeles Kings $62,320,227 $130,000 $7,879,773 24
Buffalo Sabres $61,542,023 $850,000 $8,657,977 23
Toronto Maple Leafs $61,153,333 $212,500 $9,046,667 20
Pittsburgh Penguins $60,263,333 $0 $9,936,667 22
Washington Capitals $59,627,905 $240,000 $10,572,095 23
New York Rangers $58,508,334 $1,250,000 $11,691,666 21
Columbus Blue Jackets $57,600,476 $5,125,000 $12,599,524 23
Carolina Hurricanes $57,282,500 $560,000 $12,917,500 22
Detroit Red Wings $57,142,045 $462,500 $13,057,955 23
New Jersey Devils $56,083,333 $262,500 $14,116,667 22
Anaheim Ducks $54,064,167 $1,440,000 $16,135,833 20
Colorado Avalanche $54,058,333 $2,860,000 $16,141,667 22
Florida Panthers $53,740,333 $2,300,000 $16,459,667 22
Nashville Predators $53,711,310 $1,135,000 $16,488,690 21
St. Louis Blues $53,649,999 $4,750,000 $16,550,001 23
Dallas Stars $53,638,611 $485,000 $16,561,389 24
Winnipeg Jets $51,418,959 $912,500 $18,781,042 21
Ottawa Senators $50,208,333 $1,175,000 $19,991,667 20
New York Islanders $47,772,333 $2,035,000 $22,427,667 19
Phoenix Coyotes $44,836,583 $1,812,500 $25,363,417 22

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