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That adds nothing to the discussion, what's your point? The point is they were/are considered unproven around here, yet were signed/traded for anyway. So it's not in reality a hinderance of any kind and doesn't need to be stated over and over in these kinds of threads. Whether they had played 0 NHL games or 30 really isn't the point. The point is these teams saw past the "unproven" tag, that's what they're paid to do. Fans just don't seem to get it sometimes...
Your inability to distinguish between goalies who had or have played 16, 85, and 60 games respectively, and a goalie who has played no games, is entirely personal and no fault of mine. Gosh, fans just don't seem to get it sometimes...
*edit: and let's not worry about the fact that I didn't include Stanley Cup Playoff games in those numbers, for your benefit.
The OP is an easy match for the Canucks, the two year contract takes away any games played measures.
If he signs a one year deal, he'll have to play a certain number of games, or the Canucks would lose his rights as a group 2 (?) UFA.
Two years is an easy match, if you want Lack, you'd have to pay him $2+ million a year on a multi year deal, and he likely still gets kept, and I highly doubt any teams are willing to do that.
The OP is an easy match for the Canucks, the two year contract takes away any games played measures.
If he signs a one year deal, he'll have to play a certain number of games, or the Canucks would lose his rights as a group 2 (?) UFA.
Two years is an easy match, if you want Lack, you'd have to pay him $2+ million a year on a multi year deal, and he likely still gets kept, and I highly doubt any teams are willing to do that.
It wont happen.
I personally think Lack will be better, long-term, than Schneider... but I don't think a goalie has ever been signed to an offer sheet becaue it would just be matched.
That and Lack isn't fully NHL ready. Maybe as a limited backup but for his development he needs a 60 game AHL season, IMO.
That's what I'm looking for, the poison pill, please elaborate.
Lack will be a group IV UFA like Bishop was slated to if he doesn't play something like 35 NHL games.
Schneider was in the same position two years ago and signed a two year deal to help the Canucks keep his rights, Lack will likely do the same but will use the leverage to get a one-way IMO... Just like Schneider.
It's really not. Teams take the information they have and use that to project the player they could become. That's why a player like Jarnkrok or Silfverberg has value, despite not playing in the NHL yet.
The whole point is that Lack being unproven means he'd cost significantly less than an established goalie, while still having that potential.
Thank you. This is all I'm saying. Shouldn't be hard to grasp.
Would Lack have more value if he had experience at the NHL level? Yes. Would that factor stop teams from trying to acquire him? Of course not.
Offering a 2 years contract is a bad move... one year is the way to go.
Vancouver have no choice but to play him 27 NHL games this season, or sign him beyond this 2013 or he will become UFA at the end of the season.
The thing is, if Chicago signs him to a one-year offersheet they have to play him 27 games or he becomes a UFA. I highly doubt Chicago wants to play a rookie goalie 27 games. They also wouldn't be able to re-sign him until after July 1 so he would automatically either become a UFA or RFA depending on how many games he plays.
The thing is, if Chicago signs him to a one-year offersheet they have to play him 27 games or he becomes a UFA. I highly doubt Chicago wants to play a rookie goalie 27 games. They also wouldn't be able to re-sign him until after July 1 so he would automatically either become a UFA or RFA depending on how many games he plays.
The 27 games is not an issue for us. Did you see the Hawks goalies last year?
The thing is, if Chicago signs him to a one-year offersheet they have to play him 27 games or he becomes a UFA. I highly doubt Chicago wants to play a rookie goalie 27 games. They also wouldn't be able to re-sign him until after July 1 so he would automatically either become a UFA or RFA depending on how many games he plays.
I dont see any in problem in playing a 24-25yo goalie rookie 27 games. I mean if he is good, and they plan to resign him, they will play him 27 games at least. If he is bad then they will not mind if he become UFA as they would not plan to resign him. They can also acquire him, play him X number of games and for whatever reason still trade him for something of value (think Bishop.. a 2nd-3th round) to another team who will play him the remaining number of games.
Also, its not even 27 games, its 27 time 30 minutes.
Edit, i think i made a mistake and its 28 games:
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The "unproven" comment is very annoying around here...
That's why you have GM's to make desicisons, who utilize their pro scouts and staff to make choices and acquire players they see as fits for their organization. It's called foresight. It's much cheaper to acquire these players at this stage then wait for them to blow up and then try to get them.
Of course he's unproven at the NHL level, you don't need to say it every second post! It's obvious, the point is you scout a player and decide whether you think he fits your team/needs, GMs don't just sit there saying "no, he's unproven, we'll wait for something else." That's what the OP is touching on here. They trust the people within their organization to make informed decisons.
People around here called Lindback unproven, did that stop Yzerman and the Lightning? Halak had a lot to prove according to the masses, did that stop the Blues? Schneider is probably still considered unproven, but it didn't stop Gillis from giving him a sizeable 4 year contract.
Sorry, end rant, just see it all the time and it's annoying. Not neccisarily just in the Lack case, but overall. You have to think a little deeper instead of just saying "he's unproven" try to offer a little more to the discussion.
Thank you.
Yakupov has proven nothing as well, so why is Edmonton willing to pay him 3.775mil next season? Lack has proven that he can excel in pro hockey, and has shown every indication that he will be a starter in the NHL. At his age, that is enough "proof" for a GM to go after him should they be high on him.
One-way and two-way contracts have no bearing on waiver eligibility, they simply determine the salary at the NHL and AHL level.
This isn't not totally correct. The minimum salary for a one way contract is 550 thousand and any player who will be making more than 105 thousand in the AHL has to be placed on waiver before assignment. So yes the one-way doesn't change the waiver status but the amount he would make playing in the AHL does.
This isn't not totally correct. The minimum salary for a one way contract is 550 thousand and any player who will be making more than 105 thousand in the AHL has to be placed on waiver before assignment. So yes the one-way doesn't change the waiver status but the amount he would make playing in the AHL does.
This only applies to players that are not waiver exempt anymore, which Lack still is and in the case of a 2 year contract or less would be for the whole time of said contract.
Uhhh... 1mil is not a lot of money. ELCs are typically 900k +. Lack is our 3rd best prospect, do you really think we let him walk over 1 mil per season?
So here is the question...why would Lack risk injury to sign a one year deal? Signing a one year deal makes no sense for him. 2 or 3 year deal i could see but 1 year makes no sense
So here is the question...why would Lack risk injury to sign a one year deal? Signing a one year deal makes no sense for him. 2 or 3 year deal i could see but 1 year makes no sense
A chance to be a starter rather then 3rd on the list might sway a player.
Any player worth having want's to play in the show.
Yakupov has proven nothing as well, so why is Edmonton willing to pay him 3.775mil next season? Lack has proven that he can excel in pro hockey, and has shown every indication that he will be a starter in the NHL. At his age, that is enough "proof" for a GM to go after him should they be high on him.
They actually aren't paying Yakupov $3.775 mil, that is what he will be paid if he hits ALL bonuses, which is likely next to impossible.
