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08-03-2012, 08:51 AM
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He was scratched for the last two games of the playoffs. The pratice thing was that he refused to participate saying if I'm too injured to play then I'm too injured to pratice. I agree it gets overblown but it is not an attitude you want to see while in the playoffs.
Exactly right. Not at all the attitude I want in the playoffs from a supposed "leader."

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08-03-2012, 12:23 PM
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totally disagree, malhotra IS a borderline NHL player at this point, only reason he's being given all the opportunities to return to form is because of how good a guy he is.
His underlying numbers say otherwise...

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He was scratched for the last two games of the playoffs. The pratice thing was that he refused to participate saying if I'm too injured to play then I'm too injured to pratice. I agree it gets overblown but it is not an attitude you want to see while in the playoffs.
Stealing this post from "lush" on Canucks board to add a little balance to the conversation as I didn't hear the Ferraro interview myself:

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Ferraro had some comments on the morning show this morning about Arnott. He said that he's in really awesome shape so I don't think there's any issues there. He was injured late in the season in St. Louis and by their series against LA Arnott was struggling to reach the play and keep up with things on the ice. He ended the season in the press box.

Hopefully there is some transparency there between him and Gillis and the reason for his slumped play was due to injury. Ferraro said it's really up to Arnott as to whether he wants to try and put himself into the top 6 of a crappy team and make some money or go for the cup and take a support role on a team like the Canucks.

As for the dressing room, Ferraro said there were some issues in Nashville really because Arnott was a loud vet and guys like Weber & Suter, etc. were all younger and emerging as leaders still. I don't really know much about that situation but Nashville decided to get younger and Arnott was out of the picture. This type of thing seems to happen though when teams are rebuilding and have leaders who may or may not be long term core players.

Ferraro concluded that there's really no way Arnott would disturb the Canucks room, a guy like that doesn't join a contending team where the dressing room dynamics are clearly working and assert that things will be his way. He just shuts up and tries to fit in and does his job.

EDIT: Ferraro also mentioned that he thinks 2.5 is about what you'd pay the guy for a short term deal, so if we did get him for 1.2 I have to consider that a steal.
I think Ferraro has his finger closer to the pulse of the situation than anyone on here...

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08-03-2012, 12:32 PM
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The whole AV hating Hodgson thing was blown up by fans who wanted him playing 20 minutes a night. Kid got peppered with offensive zone time.

As for Malhotra, his job is nowhere near in jeopardy.

He played the most defensive role last year possible after having no training camp.

Despite what a lot of people say, still had an impressive year last year given his role.

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Meanwhile, if their coach didn't like Hodgson, why would he like Schroeder?

He'd sooner insert ANY wiley vet over some rookie with pseudo-potential. That's how Manny Malhotra is still employed. (Well, other than for parade appearances.)


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08-03-2012, 12:57 PM
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Meanwhile, if their coach didn't like Hodgson, why would he like Schroeder?

He'd sooner insert ANY wiley vet over some rookie with pseudo-potential. That's how Manny Malhotra is still employed. (Well, other than for parade appearances.)


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AV doesn't really hate young players. He dislikes playing young players who struggle on the defensive side of the puck 5-on-5. He's quite consistent in that way.

It's why Hansen was "in the doghouse" despite being a good PKer. He struggled 5-on-5 with his coverage and until that was sorted out AV simply wasn't going to play him that much. On the flip side it's why he likes Raymond who has always been responsible defensively. Raymond didn't start getting icetime reductions until his offensive ineptitude started to lead to defensive problems for the team.

Hodgson was similar except that Hodgson's skill set allowed AV to get him into offensive situations. Situations Hansen wasn't ready for (and still might not be ready for) when he was trying to find a fulltime spot in the lineup.

So what makes Schroeder different? Well, he spent the last year working very hard on the defensive aspects of his game because that was what he was told he needed to do to play for the big club. He is also a far superior skater to Hodgson. Hodgson I think has the knowledge to play a good defensive game but his physical limitations right now prevent him from getting to the necessary positions (that may change as he works on his skating and learns more about how to take the shortest path). Schroeder will be able to keep up to the NHL game making the defensive aspects of his game less of a concern (potentially). If he does a good job with his defensive assignments AV will be more than happy to play him throughout the lineup. That wasn't the case with Hodgson who he felt he needed to protect.


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Stealing this post from "lush" on Canucks board to add a little balance to the conversation as I didn't hear the Ferraro interview myself:



I think Ferraro has his finger closer to the pulse of the situation than anyone on here...
As a Blues fan, I feel that Arnott will be good on the PP and as a PP specialist, but not good anywhere else. He has a great shot and plays well around the crease.

In the Dzone, we usually had a winger covering for him down low. He just is very slow. And that had nothing to do with his injury. As for the additude, I have no idea - wasn't in the lockerroom and can't tell you how he will fit in.

I will say this, he isn't a 3rd line center anymore due to his skating and 2.5 Million is way too much. I personallly was much happier we kept Langs. He is just a better player in the 3rd and 4th line role.

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Ferraro concluded that there's really no way Arnott would disturb the Canucks room, a guy like that doesn't join a contending team where the dressing room dynamics are clearly working and assert that things will be his way. He just shuts up and tries to fit in and does his job.
I don't know Arnott well enough but it makes sense there could be issues with a big desparity between perceived veteran and young leadership.

The Canucks are mostly 27-32 range and the core was around Sundin so I don't think they'd have a problem with an Arnott.

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Stealing this post from "lush" on Canucks board to add a little balance to the conversation as I didn't hear the Ferraro interview myself:

I think Ferraro has his finger closer to the pulse of the situation than anyone on here...
Your Ferraro quote say absolutely nothing about his attitude during the PO after being scratched in the last two games.

No question nagging minor injuries were hurting his performance, but for a vet who was brought in to provide leadership, if he felt he was good enough to play despite what Hitchcock thought, he should have taken the high ground and still practiced with the team.

The Blues are in need of a 3rd line centre. If Arnott was valued, don't you think they would bring him back for another season instead of converting a wing to play centre or looking elsewhere in FA/trades?

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Your Ferraro quote say absolutely nothing about his attitude during the PO after being scratched in the last games.

No question nagging minor injuries were hurting his performance, but for a vet who was brought in to provide leadership, if he felt he was good enough to play despite what Hitchcock thought, he should have taken the high ground and still practiced with the team.

The Blues are in need of a 3rd line centre. If Arnott was valued, don't you think they would bring him back for another season instead of converting a wing to play centre or looking elsewhere in FA?
Vets like Arnott, Weight. Recchi etc tend to move around a lot near the end of their careers. I wouldn't read too much into the fact that St. Louis didn't re-sign him. Arnott may have decided as well that he wants to look elsewhere.

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Your Ferraro quote say absolutely nothing about his attitude during the PO after being scratched in the last two games.

No question nagging minor injuries were hurting his performance, but for a vet who was brought in to provide leadership, if he felt he was good enough to play despite what Hitchcock thought, he should have taken the high ground and still practiced with the team.

The Blues are in need of a 3rd line centre. If Arnott was valued, don't you think they would bring him back for another season instead of converting a wing to play centre or looking elsewhere in FA/trades?
Well both the Nucks and Blues need 3rd line centers and have options.

The difference I see is that the Blues line-up is massive, but slower and the Nucks line-up is quicker but smaller.

Blues can afford to lose a gritty center who is slower just as the Canucks can afford to lose a speedster like Raymond.

They just don't really fit team needs, IMO.

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Your Ferraro quote say absolutely nothing about his attitude during the PO after being scratched in the last two games.

No question nagging minor injuries were hurting his performance, but for a vet who was brought in to provide leadership, if he felt he was good enough to play despite what Hitchcock thought, he should have taken the high ground and still practiced with the team.

The Blues are in need of a 3rd line centre. If Arnott was valued, don't you think they would bring him back for another season instead of converting a wing to play centre or looking elsewhere in FA/trades?
At his age why would he not explore his options? Ferrero talks about him having to choose between being a top 6 for more money on a crappy team or going to a contender for less. There are a lot of opportunities for him outside of the Blues organization. At this stage he'd be a fool not to explore them.

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Well both the Nucks and Blues need 3rd line centers and have options.

The difference I see is that the Blues line-up is massive, but slower and the Nucks line-up is quicker but smaller.

Blues can afford to lose a gritty center who is slower just as the Canucks can afford to lose a speedster like Raymond.

They just don't really fit team needs, IMO.
True, but I watched every Blues game last season (always do), and I personally don't think he has the legs to play at a high level anymore. He just has no speed left in him at all. He can play on the point or infront of the net on the PP, but penciling him in as the second line centre until Kesler is back will equal an ugly start to the season for VAN imo (not that I would complain ).

Also, I wouldn't say Arnott is a gritty centre anymore. In fact he shy's away from contact/physical play (last season)...


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At his age why would he not explore his options? Ferrero talks about him having to choose between being a top 6 for more money on a crappy team or going to a contender for less. There are a lot of opportunities for him outside of the Blues organization. At this stage he'd be a fool not to explore them.
Absolutely he can/should explore his options. Although, I would say that (generally) if an older vet signs a one year contract and has a decent year (his 17 goals were decent), I would assume there would be a desire from both the player and the club to at least consider signing an extension for around the same amount, especially when we don't have anyone penciled in to the 3C position. It's not like the Blues won't be in contention next season... However, we have heard no rumblings that the Blues were even a bit interested in bringing him back.

Honestly, after how last season ended and how ineffective he was 1/3 of the year (including how he was non-existent in the PO), I wouldn't be interested in bringing him back at 1.2mil to play on our 4th line... I just don't (personally) think the heart is there, and his spot & production can be replaced by someone who will compete every night.

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