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07-20-2012, 11:06 AM
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Anyone else think the new CBA will shut the door on the sabres winning the cup?
I Do and here is why...

If the new CBA gets rid of signing bonuses and cap contracts to 5 years then what does Pegula bucks do for the sabres? Nothing

Why would superstars come here? They wouldn't

The new CBA will give teams like Philly, NYR, Pitt and Detroit all the ammunition they need to lock up all the best players.

The only advantage the sabres have is the ability to throw millions at players, without this I think the sabres are in big trouble.
I don't think it will hurt the Sabres that much.

First, I doubt the owners get everything they want in their first proposal.

Second, Pegula Bucks can still be spent on all sorts of non-player payroll things that will make a difference such as the expanded scouting staff, all the facility improvements, and buying the Amerks.

And as we've seen, Buffalo isn't viewed by FAs as the "Hockey Heaven" destination franchise that Pegula wants to create. But, that will take time.

Detroit didn't become that until Ilitch owned the team for about a decade or so.

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07-20-2012, 11:12 AM
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Anyone else think the new CBA will shut the door on the sabres winning the cup?
I Do and here is why...

If the new CBA gets rid of signing bonuses and cap contracts to 5 years then what does Pegula bucks do for the sabres? Nothing

Why would superstars come here? They wouldn't

The new CBA will give teams like Philly, NYR, Pitt and Detroit all the ammunition they need to lock up all the best players.

The only advantage the sabres have is the ability to throw millions at players, without this I think the sabres are in big trouble.
Levels the playing field money wise, kind of like the NFL. What will win is top notch drafting and developing. Coaching will become even more important.

All those things cost money as well. Pegula has put in a lot of money towards developing players and coaching, and he will continue to do so.

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07-20-2012, 11:13 AM
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I have a question, and it may help teams acquire better players...

Why not raise the draft age to 20 or 21?

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I have a question, and it may help teams acquire better players...

Why not raise the draft age to 20 or 21?
The league already lost in court under Canada's Right To Work laws back in the late '70's which is why the draft went from 20 to 18.

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Things don't seem that bad after listening to him. But, who knows....

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Fehr seemed pretty optimistic despite all the negativity about the owners first proposal.
Saw it rumored that Bettman knew this was an extreme offer but it "couldn't hurt to ask".

Things may not be as terrible as they seem.

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07-24-2012, 05:42 AM
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Next round of talks begin today:
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Executive Director Donald Fehr says owners "have pointed us in a direction of some very tough hills to climb," with three days of talks set to begin Tuesday in Toronto. Fehr says the NHLPA is not yet prepared to make a counteroffer to the owners' initial proposal.

Fehr says the players will make their offer, "when we're ready."
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"We've asked for a bunch of additional financial information," Fehr said at an NHLPA charity golf tournament at Milton, Ontario. "They've indicated that the preparation is in progress and we'll need to review that before we come to any final conclusions."
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"What I've said about player contracts, and I'll continue to say especially when you see one like that one, or the earlier ones this year or things in past years and so on, is that contracts speak for themselves," Fehr said. "You don't have to be somebody extraordinarily well-versed in the intricacies of hockey and economics and capology to draw conclusions from it."

Fehr said negotiations are scheduled to go on next week, as well.

"There's a ways to go yet," he said.

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07-24-2012, 06:29 AM
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"What I've said about player contracts, and I'll continue to say especially when you see one like that one, or the earlier ones this year or things in past years and so on, is that contracts speak for themselves," Fehr said. "You don't have to be somebody extraordinarily well-versed in the intricacies of hockey and economics and capology to draw conclusions from it."
Translation: If these owners keep paying these ridiculous salaries and signing bonuses, we will keep expecting them

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07-24-2012, 09:05 AM
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Alternate translation : We're having a great time schmoozing, playing golf, wining and dining so there's no need to hurry up with CBA talks. I'd rather we all sit in the pool for another week or so.

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07-27-2012, 01:02 PM
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http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...e-Coyotes.html

Another theory being floated out there: the NHL could threaten to contract the Yotes to get the players to cave on the CBA front.

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07-27-2012, 03:20 PM
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So THAT's how the Sabres get Hanzal

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So THAT's how the Sabres get Hanzal
But we don't have Roy, how will we get him??

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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3580--nhl.html

It will be interesting to see if the NHLPA can put a big wedge between the big revenue and small revenue clubs with a proposal that has a lot more revenue sharing.

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http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...-CBA-deal.html

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NHL players began examining the league's proposed expansion of revenue sharing in the latest round of labour talks on Tuesday.

NHL Players' Association executive director Don Fehr said he can't make a counterproposal on the league's full package, which included a decrease in hockey-related revenue, term limits on contracts and a 22 per cent salary rollback, until his group receives and examines requested team financial reports. The first batch—76,000 pages—arrived late Monday night.

The meetings will continue Wednesday at the NHL offices in New York as the sides work to try to avoid another lockout that would threaten the upcoming season. More talks are scheduled next week when Fehr returns from a meeting with NHL players in Russia.

While both sides acknowledged negotiations are amicable and constructive, Fehr said players clearly are "not enamoured" with proposed limitations on contract lengths and a clause that would force them to wait longer before becoming unrestricted free agents.

Fehr wouldn't even say if he is encouraged by the revenue-sharing proposal.

"We haven't evaluated the changes from current revenue sharing to determine whether we think it's the appropriate thing to do or if it misses the mark in some respect," Fehr said.
It will be interesting to see of the NHLPA believes the financials they are given or not.

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08-01-2012, 11:29 AM
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NHLPA executive director Don Fehr says he can't make a counterproposal on the league's full package until his group receives and examines the requested team financial reports. The first batch -- 76,000 pages -- arrived late Monday night.
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Commissioner Gary Bettman says "ample time" remains to make a deal before the current CBA expires Sept. 15.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=401989

Does Gary think everyone in the NHLPA has taken a course on speedreading? Digesting 76,000 pages in 6 weeks seems like a superhuman challenge....

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08-01-2012, 12:35 PM
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Does Gary think everyone in the NHLPA has taken a course on speedreading? Digesting 76,000 pages in 6 weeks seems like a superhuman challenge....
I'm sure they'll have a lot of eyes on those documents, and many of the docs are likely superfluous. They'll streamline. These guys have fleets of lawyers who are likely used to sifting through documents in processes like discovery.

The bigger issue, IMO, is the one Chain alluded to: The PA will likely believe the numbers are fudged in one way or another. For example, not taking into account deferred assets, etc.

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08-02-2012, 10:04 AM
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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...n-from-owners/

Apparently the NHLPA wants more than the 76,000 pages of documents that they've already been given.

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Do you expect a lockout?

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Do you expect a lockout?

I do, there doesn't seem to be any progression. And Sept 15th is coming fast.

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God, I really hope that they get something worked out before the start of the season, gonna lose my mind if they **** up another season just 7 years after the last cluster ****.

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God, I really hope that they get something worked out before the start of the season, gonna lose my mind if they **** up another season just 7 years after the last cluster ****.
I suspect we'll miss out on a few games, but I doubt there'll be a full season lost. There doesn't seem to be the level of acrimony surrounding this as there was last time.

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I suspect we'll miss out on a few games, but I doubt there'll be a full season lost. There doesn't seem to be the level of acrimony surrounding this as there was last time.
It's early.

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This isn't promising.

https://twitter.com/KatieStrangESPN/...23064791891969
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#CBA NHL commissioner Gary Bettman just spoke. Made it very clear the league intends to lock out if no deal is reached by Sept 15
https://twitter.com/KatieStrangESPN/...23871633383424
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#CBA Bettman also confirmed there is a sizeable gap between the two sides on revenue-sharing. Presumably all other econ issues as well
https://twitter.com/KatieStrangESPN/...31723940900864
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#CBA Bettman:"Time is getting short and the owners are not prepared to operate under this collective bargaining agreement for another ssn"

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08-09-2012, 01:42 PM
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Professional sports commissioner Gary Bettman manages 3 lockouts in less than 20 years.

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What a joke! It's all about greed.

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