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08-03-2012, 03:05 PM
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Giroux 35-65-90
Voracek 25-40-65
Hartnell 30-30-60
Briere 25-30-55
B. Schenn 20-25-45
Simmonds 23-19-42
Read 22-20 42
Couturier 20-25-45
Talbot 16-16-32
Fedotenko 8-12-20
Wellwood/Rinaldo/Sestito/Harry Z 10-15-25


Timonen 10-25-35
Grossmann 2-15-17
Coburn 8-22-30
L.Schenn 5-20-25
Meszaros 8-20-28
MAB/Gervais/Lilja/Gus - 3-8-11

Minus 8% each for injury, etc rollbacks
Timonen has never put up more than 8 goals as a flyer. He only did that once too.

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I'd be shocked if Kimmo scores more than 3 goals this season.

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My lineup:
Hartnell/Giroux/Voracek
Read/Schenn/Briere
Wellwood/Couturier/Simmonds
Fedotenko/Talbot/Rinaldo

Coburn-Grossmann
Timonen-Schenn
Meszaros-MAB

Bryz
Leighton

PP1: Hartnell-Giroux-Simmonds-Voracek-Timonen
PP2: Briere-Schenn-Read-Couturier-Meszaros

Goals-Assists-Total

Giroux 30-52-82
Voracek 22-40-62
Hartnell 35-25-60
Briere 30-30-60
Simmonds 28-22-50
B. Schenn 23-23-46
Couturier 15-30-45
Read 20-22-42
Timonen 6-32-38
Talbot 12-20-32
Meszaros 9-19-28
Coburn 5-20-25
Grossmann 3-16-19
Fedotenko 10-10-20
Wellwood 9-7-16
L.Schenn 2-13-15
MAB 1-10-11
Rinaldo 3-6-9


Bryz 39wins 2.29 GAA .921 save %
Leighton 10wins 2.82 GAA .912 save %

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08-03-2012, 04:04 PM
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Line-up:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek/Read
Simmonds - Schenn - Briere
Fedetenko - Couturier - Read/Voracek
Wellwood - Holmstrom - Talbot
Rinaldo

Coburn - Grossmann
Kimmo - Schenn
Meszaros - Gus
Lilja

Name - Goals - Assists - Points
Giroux - 30 - 68 - 98
Hartnell - 32 - 30 - 62
Voracek - 22 - 38 - 60
Simmonds - 29 - 25 - 54
Schenn - 27 - 20 - 47
Briere - 20 - 30 - 50
Fedetenko - 10 - 15 - 25
Couturier - 20 - 25 - 45
Read - 26 - 20 - 46
Wellwood - 10 - 10 - 20
Holmstrom - 4 - 8 - 12
Talbot - 12 - 15 - 27
Rinaldo - 3 - 3 - 6
Coburn - 5 - 23 - 28
Grossmann - 0 - 10 - 10
Kimmo - 7 - 35 - 42
Schenn - 3 - 23 - 25
Meszaros - 9 - 25 - 34
Gus- 5 - 15 - 20
Lilja - 0 - 2 - 2

Bryz - .915, 2.45
Leighton - .898, 2.98

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08-03-2012, 04:07 PM
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As much as I would love to see it, I dont see the team scoring 36 more goals than last year.
See, I don't think it's a stretch at all. Simmonds scored 28 last year while playing 3rd line minutes. He's going to get top six ice time and as well as 1st unit PP time. I don't think it's a stretch for him to add 5 to 7 more goals to his total this year.

Voracek is going to be playing with Giroux and Hartnell, so I can see him easily adding an additional 10 to 12 goals to his total. He's got the speed and play making ability to keep up with the two and I can see Claude and Hartnell benefiting from that as well.

Briere had an off year last year, but he's usually good for 30 to 35 goals a year, so there's some additional scoring added there. I also think the two sophmores in Schenn and Couturier will also add to their goal totals from last year. Schenn should easily get 20 and Couturier had 13 while playing 4th line minutes. Couturier is going to get 17 to 18 minutes a night, so I don't think it's a stretch that his numbers go up significantly from last year.

The biggest jump I gave was Meszaros and him scoring 14 this year. With Carle gone and with Timonen getting older, I can see the Flyers using Meszaros on the point and letting him unleash his bomb of a shot from there. He should easily hit double digits in the goal department. Talbot, Fedotenko and Wellwood will probably be given a decent amount of ice time and will play on the third and fourth line throughout the season, so I don't think it's a stretch that those three will hit double digits in the goals either.

Laviolette likes to let his skaters skate and he likes the aggressive forecheck system. That system will always help with a player's numbers. I don't think it's out of the question that a jump in goals can happen.

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08-03-2012, 04:56 PM
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08-04-2012, 12:06 AM
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I didn't over rate Wellwood.....

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Let the biased-ness begin, list all the players on the flyers roster that will play the majority of the season and how many goals, assists, and total points they will all end up with at the end of the season higest to lowest, just for fun since Doan is taking forever and there isn't much to do!



My lineup:
Hartnell/Giroux/Voracek
Simmonds/Schenn/Briere
Fedotenko/Couturier/Read
Rinaldo/Talbot/Wellwood

Coburn-Grossmann
Timonen-Schenn
Meszaros-MAB

Bryz
Leighton

Goals-Assists-Total

Giroux 36-63-99
Voracek 24-44-68
Hartnell 30-31-61
Briere 22-24-46
B. Schenn 23-23-46
Simmonds 22-21-43
Read 20-22-42
Timonen 6-32-38
Couturier 17-19-36
Talbot 15-16-31
Meszaros 9-19-28
Coburn 5-20-25
Grossmann 3-16-19
Fedotenko 10-6-16
Wellwood 9-7-16
L.Schenn 2-13-15
MAB 1-10-11
Rinaldo 3-6-9


Bryz 39wins 2.39 GAA .914 save %
Leighton 10wins 2.82 GAA .908 save %
I know that this will be unpopular amongst Flyers fans but I see Giroux dropping to 85 - 90 points now that he is an established allstar and everyone will target him.

Briere will bounce back an score more than 50pts.

Rusty has delivered less than 10 assists only once in more than 10 years in the NHL so I wouldn't expect him to drop to 6.

Bourdon's numbers I can agree with because he will play less than 50 games before going down with another concussion Gervais 3-9-12 and Gus 1-15-16 will fill in nicely.

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08-04-2012, 06:34 AM
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Can anyone find the old thread from last year?

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Goals-Assists-Total

Giroux 32-60-92
Voracek 22-45-67
Hartnell 30-32-62
Briere 24-31-55
B. Schenn 22-29-51
Simmonds 27-22-49
Read 22-22-44
Couturier 17-23-40
Timonen 4-32-36
Meszaros 9-25-34
Talbot 16-16-32
Coburn 5-25-30
Wellwood 12-10-22
Fedotenko 9-12-21
Grossmann 3-15-18
L.Schenn 3-13-16
MAB 3-9-12
Rinaldo 4-6-10


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08-05-2012, 10:49 AM
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Let the biased-ness begin, list all the players on the flyers roster that will play the majority of the season and how many goals, assists, and total points they will all end up with at the end of the season higest to lowest, just for fun since Doan is taking forever and there isn't much to do!



My lineup:
Hartnell/Giroux/Voracek
Simmonds/Schenn/Briere
Fedotenko/Couturier/Read
Rinaldo/Talbot/Wellwood

Coburn-Grossmann
Timonen-Schenn
Meszaros-MAB

Bryz
Leighton

Goals-Assists-Total

Giroux 36-63-99
Voracek 24-44-68
Hartnell 30-31-61
Briere 22-24-46
B. Schenn 23-23-46
Simmonds 22-21-43
Read 20-22-42
Timonen 6-32-38
Couturier 17-19-36
Talbot 15-16-31
Meszaros 9-19-28
Coburn 5-20-25
Grossmann 3-16-19
Fedotenko 10-6-16
Wellwood 9-7-16
L.Schenn 2-13-15
MAB 1-10-11
Rinaldo 3-6-9


Bryz 39wins 2.39 GAA .914 save %
Leighton 10wins 2.82 GAA .908 save %
The big wildcard is Read. Did he drastically over perform and will fall back to earth this yr, ie get like 15 goals or so, or wil he be a reliable 20 plus goal scorer.

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08-05-2012, 01:51 PM
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One thing I found a little weird...how giroux hartnell and voracek can produce so many pass with so poor goal scoring ...i know there pp and line change but that much of a difference between pass and goal on the same line I think its odd.

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08-05-2012, 01:52 PM
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I mean someone have to score goal on this line...

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I mean someone have to score goal on this line...
Giroux had 28 goals last season... Hartnell had 37 (6th in the league)... Jagr had 19 and Voracek had 18... I think it's safe to say Jake will have over 20..

How do they lack goal scoring?

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I mean someone have to score goal on this line...
Hartnell - 28 goals 26 assists 54 points
Giroux - 31 goals 53 assists 84 points
Voracek - 19 goals 45 assists 64 points
B. Schenn - 18 goals 19 assists 37 points
Briere - 27 goals 30 assists 57 points
Simmonds 25 goals 27 assists 52 points
Read - 17 goals 20 assists 37 points
Couturier - 16 goals 15 assists 31 points
Wellwood - 10 goals 12 assists 22 points
Fedetenko - 13 goals 9 assists 22 points
Talbot - 14 goals 18 assists 32 points
Rinaldo - 5 goals 7 assists 12 points
Shelley - 0 goals 3 assists 3 points

Coburn - 4 goals 22 assists 26 points
Grossmann - 2 goals 14 assists 16 points
Timonen - 5 goals 31 assists 36 points
L. Schenn - 3 goals 18 assists 21 points
Meszaros - 9 goals 27 assists 36 points
Gustaffson - 3 goals 16 assists 19 points
Bourdon - 1 goal 6 assists 7 points (in ~25 games)

Bryzgalov - GAA 2.51 SV% .918 (64 games)
Leighton - GAA 2.98 SV% .902 (18 games)

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08-05-2012, 03:21 PM
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Giroux had 28 goals last season... Hartnell had 37 (6th in the league)... Jagr had 19 and Voracek had 18... I think it's safe to say Jake will have over 20..

How do they lack goal scoring?
Im referring to the projection not what they put out last season...some say hartnell 30 and giroux voracek near 30 so that not alot of goal

And Im just doing a simple math between goal and assist people are projecting on that line maybe Im wrong but thats alot of assist for not so many goal thats all

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Hartnell - 28 goals 26 assists 54 points
Giroux - 31 goals 53 assists 84 points
Voracek - 19 goals 45 assists 64 points
B. Schenn - 18 goals 19 assists 37 points
Briere - 27 goals 30 assists 57 points
Simmonds 25 goals 27 assists 52 points
Read - 17 goals 20 assists 37 points
Couturier - 16 goals 15 assists 31 points
Wellwood - 10 goals 12 assists 22 points
Fedetenko - 13 goals 9 assists 22 points
Talbot - 14 goals 18 assists 32 points
Rinaldo - 5 goals 7 assists 12 points
Shelley - 0 goals 3 assists 3 points

Coburn - 4 goals 22 assists 26 points
Grossmann - 2 goals 14 assists 16 points
Timonen - 5 goals 31 assists 36 points
L. Schenn - 3 goals 18 assists 21 points
Meszaros - 9 goals 27 assists 36 points
Gustaffson - 3 goals 16 assists 19 points
Bourdon - 1 goal 6 assists 7 points (in ~25 games)

Bryzgalov - GAA 2.51 SV% .918 (64 games)
Leighton - GAA 2.98 SV% .902 (18 games)

Imo that is the most realistic projection...look like a 6-7th team.

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only stat I care about this upcoming year is for goaltending. This team can score, that's not the problem.

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FORWARDS
Claude Giroux - 32 goals, 65 assists, 97 points
Scott Hartnell - 29 Goals, 33 Assists, 62 Points
Jakub Voracek - 24 Goals, 39 Assists, 63 Points
Wayne Simmonds - 26 Goals, 20 Assists, 46 Points
Matt Read - 20 Goals, 27 Assists, 47 Points
Daniel Briere - 28 Goals, 35 Assists, 63 Points
Brayden Schenn - 18 Goals, 24 Assists, 42 Points
Sean Couturier - 17 Goals, 28 Assists, 45 Points
Max Talbot - 13 Goals, 19 assists, 32 Points
Ruslan Fedotenko - 11 Goals, 12 Assists, 23 Points
Eric Wellwood - 14 Goals, 22 Assists, 36 Points
Zac Rinaldo - 1 Goal, 6 Assists, 7 Points
Tom Sestito - 2 Goals, 6 Assists, 8 Points
Jody Shelley - 0 Goals, 2 Assists, 2 Points

DEFENSMEN

Braydon Coburn - 7 Goals, 31 Assists, 38 Points
Kimmo Timonen - 3 Goals, 35 Assists, 38 Points
Nicklas Grossmann - 0 Goals, 17 Assists, 17 Points
Luke Schenn - 2 Goals, 20 Assists, 22 Points
Andrej Meszaros - 10 Goals, 23 Assists, 33 Points
Marc Andre Bourdon - 1 Goal, 14 Assists, 15 Points
Erik Gustafsson - 4 Goals, 21 Assists, 25 Points
Brandon Manning - 1 Goal, 5 Assists, 6 Points

GOALTENDING
Ilya Bryzgalov - 37-18-7 SV% = .912
Michael Leighton - 7-10-5 SV% = .893

Scott Hartnell - Claude Giroux - Jake Voracek
Wayne Simmonds - Brayden Schenn - Daniel Briere
Matt Read - Sean Couturier - Eric Wellwood
Ruslan Fedotenko - Max Talbot - Tom Sestito
Zac Rinaldo

Nicklas Grossmann - Braydon Coburn
Kimmo Timonen - Luke Schenn
Erik Gustaffson - Andrej Meszaros
Marc-Andre Bourdon

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FORWARDS
Claude Giroux - 32 goals, 65 assists, 97 points
Scott Hartnell - 29 Goals, 33 Assists, 62 Points
Jakub Voracek - 24 Goals, 39 Assists, 63 Points
Wayne Simmonds - 26 Goals, 20 Assists, 46 Points
Matt Read - 20 Goals, 27 Assists, 47 Points
Daniel Briere - 28 Goals, 35 Assists, 63 Points
Brayden Schenn - 18 Goals, 24 Assists, 42 Points
Sean Couturier - 17 Goals, 28 Assists, 45 Points
Max Talbot - 13 Goals, 19 assists, 32 Points
Ruslan Fedotenko - 11 Goals, 12 Assists, 23 Points
Eric Wellwood - 14 Goals, 22 Assists, 36 Points
Zac Rinaldo - 1 Goal, 6 Assists, 7 Points
Tom Sestito - 2 Goals, 6 Assists, 8 Points
Jody Shelley - 0 Goals, 2 Assists, 2 Points

DEFENSMEN

Braydon Coburn - 7 Goals, 31 Assists, 38 Points
Kimmo Timonen - 3 Goals, 35 Assists, 38 Points
Nicklas Grossmann - 0 Goals, 17 Assists, 17 Points
Luke Schenn - 2 Goals, 20 Assists, 22 Points
Andrej Meszaros - 10 Goals, 23 Assists, 33 Points
Marc Andre Bourdon - 1 Goal, 14 Assists, 15 Points
Erik Gustafsson - 4 Goals, 21 Assists, 25 Points
Brandon Manning - 1 Goal, 5 Assists, 6 Points

GOALTENDING
Ilya Bryzgalov - 37-18-7 SV% = .912
Michael Leighton - 7-10-5 SV% = .893

Scott Hartnell - Claude Giroux - Jake Voracek
Wayne Simmonds - Brayden Schenn - Daniel Briere
Matt Read - Sean Couturier - Eric Wellwood
Ruslan Fedotenko - Max Talbot - Tom Sestito
Zac Rinaldo

Nicklas Grossmann - Braydon Coburn
Kimmo Timonen - Luke Schenn
Erik Gustaffson - Andrej Meszaros
Marc-Andre Bourdon
This looks good to me. Although I think Schenn is low Briere is high and Simmonds is low. I think Simmonds could score 30-35 this year on the PP the whole year. Wellwood is high as well

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Anybody else thinking that Brayden Schenn scoring less than 40 points over a full season - barring injuries - would be a big disappointment?

He should at least be able to match Read's or Simmonds' numbers. He has been a scoring machine in Juniors and in his brief AHL stint.

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Let the biased-ness begin, list all the players on the flyers roster that will play the majority of the season and how many goals, assists, and total points they will all end up with at the end of the season higest to lowest, just for fun since Doan is taking forever and there isn't much to do!



My lineup:
Hartnell/Giroux/Voracek
Simmonds/Schenn/Briere
Fedotenko/Couturier/Read
Rinaldo/Talbot/Wellwood

Coburn-Grossmann
Timonen-Schenn
Meszaros-MAB

Bryz
Leighton

Goals-Assists-Total

Giroux 36-63-99
Voracek 24-44-68
Hartnell 30-31-61
Briere 22-24-46
B. Schenn 23-23-46
Simmonds 22-21-43
Read 20-22-42
Timonen 6-32-38
Couturier 17-19-36
Talbot 15-16-31
Meszaros 9-19-28
Coburn 5-20-25
Grossmann 3-16-19
Fedotenko 10-6-16
Wellwood 9-7-16
L.Schenn 2-13-15
MAB 1-10-11
Rinaldo 3-6-9


Bryz 39wins 2.39 GAA .914 save %
Leighton 10wins 2.82 GAA .908 save %

I think these are realistic numbers, but I'd drop Giroux 10 and add 10 to Briere.

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Goals-Assists-Total

Giroux 32-65-97
Voracek 22-40-62
Hartnell 28-31-59
Briere 26-33-59
B. Schenn 23-28-51
Simmonds 23-23-46
Couturier 20-25-45
Read 18-23-41
Timonen 6-32-38
Meszaros 8-27-35
L.Schenn 5-22-27
Talbot 10-16-26
Coburn 4-17-21
Fedotenko 9-12-21
Wellwood 7-10-17
Grossmann 3-13-16
MAB 1-7-8
Rinaldo 3-6-9
This is pretty much what I would project for each player. The only thing I would change is Simmonds' goal total. I think he hits 30 goals this year, especially with playing in front on the PP all year. So with 30 goals that would give him 53 points.

And to what another poster asked earlier, I think anything less than 50 points from Schenn is definitely a disappointment.

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This is pretty much what I would project for each player. The only thing I would change is Simmonds' goal total. I think he hits 30 goals this year, especially with playing in front on the PP all year. So with 30 goals that would give him 53 points.

And to what another poster asked earlier, I think anything less than 50 points from Schenn is definitely a disappointment.
If Simmonds scores 30, I'd be pretty surprised. He definitely went pretty cold down the stretch and into the playoffs. I certainly wouldn't bank on him getting first PP time for the whole season, particularly if B.Schenn and/or Voracek make significant jumps or Briere surges back to form.

As for B. Schenn, I expect 50 points, but 45 would just be pretty meh. Below 40 would be pretty awful (injury or not, because it would just make him injury prone... almost worse).

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I think Jagr will get about 60-65 points......all this talk about 100 pts by the Jagr lovers is insane...oh wait...that was last year I still think Jags will get 60-65 points with Dallas

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