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08-01-2012, 08:01 PM
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People saying the Devils suck are equally as ridiculous though. They always find ways to win.

But anyone who thinks Carter-Gionta-Bernier is going to play as well as they did in the playoffs is so delusional it's not even funny.
Yup, many have been predicting the demise of the devils for years now...and been sorely mistaken for the most part. But despite them proving us wrong over and over again...I do have to wonder if this is the beginning of the end. Can they really overcome the loss of Parise...and how much more can a 40 year old Brodeur really have left in the tank?

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People saying the Devils suck are equally as ridiculous though. They always find ways to win.

But anyone who thinks Carter-Gionta-Bernier is going to play as well as they did in the playoffs is so delusional it's not even funny.
They don't suck, they'll be a bubble team.

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Players leave the Devils and people want to dismiss them.

But they keep developing players, keep coming back and keep staying competitive.

Doesn't matter if they lose Stevens, Parise, Brodeur (eventually), they do what they need to do.

They've shown they are willing to take the high picks for a year or two if it means being in a stronger position, faster.

That's what they do, they simply find a way.

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08-01-2012, 08:25 PM
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Players leave the Devils and people want to dismiss them.

But they keep developing players, keep coming back and keep staying competitive.

Doesn't matter if they lose Stevens, Parise, Brodeur (eventually), they do what they need to do.

They've shown they are willing to take the high picks for a year or two if it means being in a stronger position, faster.

That's what they do, they simply find a way.
Yeah, I'm pretty jealous. They're the model organization for success.

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Players leave the Devils and people want to dismiss them.

But they keep developing players, keep coming back and keep staying competitive.

Doesn't matter if they lose Stevens, Parise, Brodeur (eventually), they do what they need to do.

They've shown they are willing to take the high picks for a year or two if it means being in a stronger position, faster.

That's what they do, they simply find a way.
They always continue to have decent teams, but this year was a complete aberration. Their whole team played way over their heads in the playoffs. Plus, they benefited greatly from getting to play the weak Panthers and defensively inept Flyers in the first two rounds.

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They always continue to have decent teams, but this year was a complete aberration. Their whole team played way over their heads in the playoffs. Plus, they benefited greatly from getting to play the weak Panthers and defensively inept Flyers in the first two rounds.
Thems the bounces. I think the Kings played the stretch of their franchise lives and it worked for them.

I've always subscribed to the belief that winners (teams, individuals, businesses, etc.) just find a way to win. It's not that they are necessarily the most talented, both through a variety of ways, they find a way to pull it off.

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Thems the bounces. I think the Kings played the stretch of their franchise lives and it worked for them.

I've always subscribed to the belief that winners (teams, individuals, businesses, etc.) just find a way to win. It's not that they are necessarily the most talented, both through a variety of ways, they find a way to pull it off.
Their is something to that, but you can't write off matchups.

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08-01-2012, 10:27 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty jealous. They're the model organization for success.
It will catch up with them eventually.

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It will catch up with them eventually.
I hope so! Would be satisfying if they turn into the Islanders, but their upper management always build up contending rosters.

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Yeah, I'm pretty jealous. They're the model organization for success.
Detroit says hello.

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Detroit says hello.
Well, both of them have had two top players of all time in their respective positions for the last 20 years so it will be interesting to see how the next couple years play out for both teams with Lidstrom retired and Brodeur probably retiring in two years.

I don't think either will turn out like the Isles or Oilers but I think both will be average.

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Yeah, I'm pretty jealous. They're the model organization for success.
Don't be too jealous, not anymore. the Rangers are clearly modeled after the NJ Devils success, it took a while but we see now the fruits.

If it hadn't been for Jagrs epic year in 2006 we would be even closer. Theybtweaked the plan when they ended up with Jagr looking like Jagr. Tried to catch the lightning. It was probably the right thing to do but set back the pure rebuild a bit...

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Yup, many have been predicting the demise of the devils for years now...and been sorely mistaken for the most part. But despite them proving us wrong over and over again...I do have to wonder if this is the beginning of the end. Can they really overcome the loss of Parise...and how much more can a 40 year old Brodeur really have left in the tank?
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Players leave the Devils and people want to dismiss them.

But they keep developing players, keep coming back and keep staying competitive.

Doesn't matter if they lose Stevens, Parise, Brodeur (eventually), they do what they need to do.


They've shown they are willing to take the high picks for a year or two if it means being in a stronger position, faster.

That's what they do, they simply find a way.
Depends on your definition of "demise".

They went from 3 cups and 16 playoff series wins in 9 years to 0 cups and 5 playoffs series wins in 9 years. And 3 of them are from this years miracle run.

They are not exactly a young team. They are going to need some of their kids to develop into serious players to fill some of the holes that are going to open up.

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08-02-2012, 12:57 PM
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Detroit says hello.
We'll see how Detroit does without Lidstrom. Devils have already been contenders while constantly losing their home grown talent (Neidermayer, Gomez, Gionta) and their best all-time player in Stevens.

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We'll see how Detroit does without Lidstrom. Devils have already been contenders while constantly losing their home grown talent (Neidermayer, Gomez, Gionta) and their best all-time player in Stevens.
Contenders? Not really.

As somebody said earlier in the thread, 5 playoff wins and 0 cups in 9 years. That's not really a contender.

Though the Devils always find ways to be pesky.

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Depends on your definition of "demise".

They went from 3 cups and 16 playoff series wins in 9 years to 0 cups and 5 playoffs series wins in 9 years. And 3 of them are from this years miracle run.

They are not exactly a young team. They are going to need some of their kids to develop into serious players to fill some of the holes that are going to open up.
True, but that's still a fairly successful team. A dynasty? No. But pretty successful.

Ideally, NJ is at a rebuilding point, which is going to be difficult with a contract and player like Kovalchuk.

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We'll see how Detroit does without Lidstrom. Devils have already been contenders while constantly losing their home grown talent (Neidermayer, Gomez, Gionta) and their best all-time player in Stevens.
And Detroit didn't? Just off the top of my head: Yzerman, Federov, McCarty, Draper, Chelios, Shannahan.

Red Wings are a more historic, model franchise than NJ is. Not to say NJ isn't, but I think Detroit is the best model franchise in the league.

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They always continue to have decent teams, but this year was a complete aberration. Their whole team played way over their heads in the playoffs. Plus, they benefited greatly from getting to play the weak Panthers and defensively inept Flyers in the first two rounds.
That's another thing. There are several posts claiming that the Devils laid waste to the Rangers in the ECF. The term "torched" was used.

I watched every minute of every game, there was no torching. It was two good teams, and one prevailing a tightly contested series where the Rangers had almost no offense.

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Players leave the Devils and people want to dismiss them.

But they keep developing players, keep coming back and keep staying competitive.

Doesn't matter if they lose Stevens, Parise, Brodeur (eventually), they do what they need to do.

They've shown they are willing to take the high picks for a year or two if it means being in a stronger position, faster.

That's what they do, they simply find a way.
agree. hate the devils more than any team in all sports, but give credit to lamorello(spelling sorry). as long as he is there they will compete

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Andrej Mezsaros tore his Achilles while training. He is out indefinitely. Probably another Zajac-like time period. The Flyers were lacking on d as it was.

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