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08-07-2012, 08:08 AM
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I bet you don't lol. We might want to but we all will be watching from game one.

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Strait and Bort will be fine with bottom pairing minutes. I'm not really sure what you are all worried about.

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With the way Fleury played in the playoffs and starting with 3 rookies, I might skip the first couple of games of the year
That's the thing it is Fleury + Playoffs that is the problem. With a real starting goalie like Vokoun pushing him for his job, I expect Fleury to have a big year. As for defense, I have no problem with the Michalek salary dump, if they really believe and are willing to give Despres & Bortuzzo a legitimate chance to prove themselves as ready to go NHL'ers as they've been touting them as. The problems with this team is the same as last year, too many stale interchangeable parts like Kunitz, Kennedy, Adams, Dupuis, Cooke and Vitale. In this area all they have is Tangradi and Bennett as possible replacements, just not good enough to see this team being any better and more than likely worse.

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08-07-2012, 08:28 AM
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the flyers just lost Meszaros to a torn achilles tendon surgery. Their D just took a big hit and I wonder if they go the trade route to solve it.

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08-07-2012, 08:38 AM
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Yep that is absolutely big news guys....

It's going to be amazing going up against that weak Philly defense

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08-07-2012, 08:41 AM
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Not sure how some can be so comfortable going with either Strait, Lovejoy or Bortuzzo playing full time. Martin had a terrible year, and then the injury rumors came out, let's give the guy a chance before moving him for what, cap space?
Which is why I just said -- in the post you quoted -- that we should make sure we can comfortably fill the positions before he ever gets traded. I guess I didn't explicitly state it but I also would wait to see that Strait or Bortuzzo are able to take that number 6 spot though there is very little reason to think one of the two can't handle it. If not, you can still trade Martin for a forward and use picks or depth prospects to get a bottom pairing vet d-man. They are available every year.

And no, we wouldn't trade Martin for cap space. We'd trade him because he is the most valuable trade piece we have that we can replace internally.

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08-07-2012, 08:43 AM
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That's the thing it is Fleury + Playoffs that is the problem. With a real starting goalie like Vokoun pushing him for his job, I expect Fleury to have a big year. As for defense, I have no problem with the Michalek salary dump, if they really believe and are willing to give Despres & Bortuzzo a legitimate chance to prove themselves as ready to go NHL'ers as they've been touting them as. The problems with this team is the same as last year, too many stale interchangeable parts like Kunitz, Kennedy, Adams, Dupuis, Cooke and Vitale. In this area all they have is Tangradi and Bennett as possible replacements, just not good enough to see this team being any better and more than likely worse.
I agree with you about Fleury, but I have to disagree about your "interchangeable parts" argument. Those players you named are not the same type of player, each one has a different role, they're role players, not just roster spot fillers. Kunitz is a good top 6 winger, Dupuis is a versatile forward that can play on any line at any position an succeed, Cooke, Adams and Vitale are solid bottom 6 forwards who are physical and kill penalties, added Tanner Glass to that group, and Kennedy, even though people don't want him on the Pens, he's not a bad player, he's a fast and tenacious forward, he hustles and works hard for this team.

As for Tangradi and Bennett being replacements, what do you mean? Injury replacements or future replacements?

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08-07-2012, 08:50 AM
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the flyers just lost Meszaros to a torn achilles tendon surgery. Their D just took a big hit and I wonder if they go the trade route to solve it.
I will be looking forward to Flyers fans not claiming his constantly injured ass to be super duper valuable in every thread ever on the trade board.

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Yeah, Paul Martin will NOT be traded for capspace (unless with the new CBA the cap drastically drops) because we have plenty. And if no teams makes us a good offer we just keep him. He's not a bad player, he just wasn't a 5 million dollar defensman.

And now with Michalek gone, a team would probably have to overpay to pry him away from the Pens right now. If he's traded at all, it will be at the earliest by midseason unless we get a solid replacement in return. Next offseason with some more of the young guys knocking on the door, Shero might be more willing to to trade him.

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Hey maybe Philly wants Martin now. We can trade him for Voracek haha.

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Hey maybe Philly wants Martin now. We can trade him for Voracek haha.
Yeah why not, after all, Martin IS your typical broad bully.

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the flyers just lost Meszaros to a torn achilles tendon surgery. Their D just took a big hit and I wonder if they go the trade route to solve it.
I had no clue. Just read it on the Flyers board. That is def going to hurt them this season.

They better hope Luke Schenn was a good trade and he is ready to bloom. If that D isn't solid Bryz isn't solid.

I am interested to see how Nisky plays as his minutes go up and stay up through the season.

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08-07-2012, 09:04 AM
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Which is why I just said -- in the post you quoted -- that we should make sure we can comfortably fill the positions before he ever gets traded. I guess I didn't explicitly state it but I also would wait to see that Strait or Bortuzzo are able to take that number 6 spot though there is very little reason to think one of the two can't handle it. If not, you can still trade Martin for a forward and use picks or depth prospects to get a bottom pairing vet d-man. They are available every year.

And no, we wouldn't trade Martin for cap space. We'd trade him because he is the most valuable trade piece we have that we can replace internally
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I just get the impression people just don't want him round anymore and are ready to dump him for pretty much picks

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08-07-2012, 09:05 AM
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the flyers just lost Meszaros to a torn achilles tendon surgery. Their D just took a big hit and I wonder if they go the trade route to solve it.
Watch them offer sheet Subban

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Strait and Bort will be fine with bottom pairing minutes. I'm not really sure what you are all worried about.
I agree. I think on the 3rd pairing, both would be completely fine.

I'd personally roll...

Martin-Letang
Orpik-Niskanen
Strait-Bortuzzo
Engelland

I don't find it the necessity for Despres to make this team that some do. I think he can improve even more in the AHL, and if he takes a spot, great, but I wouldn't pencil him in.

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08-07-2012, 09:19 AM
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I agree. I think on the 3rd pairing, both would be completely fine.

I'd personally roll...

Martin-Letang
Orpik-Niskanen
Strait-Bortuzzo
Engelland
Maybe it's just me, but i'd prefer Engelland over both Strait and Bortuzzo

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Watch them offer sheet Subban
Wouldn't you want pk for some draft picks? Im pretty sure he would cost more than Kennedy or a combo of Kennedy and other spare parts. I think it'd be a brilliant move for Holmgren. He offer sheeted weber and no team offer sheeted voracek. So it didn't really bite him in the butt

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Maybe it's just me, but i'd prefer Engelland over both Strait and Bortuzzo
And Engo might be a better option. I'd let them battle it out. If he is clearly the better one, that's fine. Then switch Bortuzzo and Strait in every other game or so, until one clearly supplants the other.

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I agree. I think on the 3rd pairing, both would be completely fine.

I'd personally roll...

Martin-Letang
Orpik-Niskanen
Strait-Bortuzzo
Engelland

I don't find it the necessity for Despres to make this team that some do. I think he can improve even more in the AHL, and if he takes a spot, great, but I wouldn't pencil him in.
There should never be a pre-season lineup that has Engo out from the 6 standard defenders. He's better than Strait and Bort right now. He had one of the more consistent seasons of any of the defense last year.

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There should never be a pre-season lineup that has Engo out from the 6 standard defenders. He's better than Strait and Bort right now. He had one of the more consistent seasons of any of the defense last year.
In pre-season sure. But if we're adding a Murray type and Despres/Bortuzzo are looking like studs, he may become a decent trade chip later in the season.

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They already have 7 NHL D under contract (not counting rookies), and why would we trade for a 3rd pairing guy when we have a ton of rookies who need icetime? Also if we're trading with Colorado I'd really really want to see Hejda coming back - even if we had to add more to get it.

But they might have a use for another PMD (I see 4 defensive types there). I'd love to trade them Niskanen (+ if needed) for Hejda. Carry 8 D, dress 7 per night until you figure out who you want to keep.

Letang - Orpik
Martin - Hejda (shutdown tandom)
Despres - Engelland
Strait - Bortuzzo
I would not call Shane O'Brien a bottom pairing defenceman look at his stats last year with Colorado it's quite impressive for a shutdown defenceman I don't want Bortuzzo or Strait as a bottom pairing defenceman in the NHL yet, I figured this was a good trade for both sides. Colorado gets a top pairing defenceman and a top-9 forward which are needs for Colorado, Pittsburgh gets a forward who can play with Crosby and a shutdown defenceman. It also saves us about $3,500,000 in cap space so we can offer Shane Doan more money to come to Pittsburgh.

Our top 6 could look like this:
Jamie McGinn / Sidney Crosby / Shane Doan
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In pre-season sure. But if we're adding a Murray type and Despres/Bortuzzo are looking like studs, he may become a decent trade chip later in the season.
Why would we trade Engelland to make room for a Murray type?

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The Flyers going after Yandle makes sense and they have the assets to get him.

Just to throw it out there... what do you guys think about getting Gonch back? The Pens have the cap room and he can still be a good #4-5 defenseman that gets a lot of PP duty. Then when he retires keep him on that bench. Not only do I think he has a great hockey mind but he seems like a 1st class person too.

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I would not call Shane O'Brien a bottom pairing defenceman look at his stats last year with Colorado it's quite impressive for a shutdown defenceman I don't want Bortuzzo or Strait as a bottom pairing defenceman in the NHL yet, I figured this was a good trade for both sides. Colorado gets a top pairing defenceman and a top-9 forward which are needs for Colorado, Pittsburgh gets a forward who can play with Crosby and a shutdown defenceman. It also saves us about $3,500,000 in cap space so we can offer Shane Doan more money to come to Pittsburgh.

Our top 6 could look like this:
Jamie McGinn / Sidney Crosby / Shane Doan
Chris Kunitz / Evgeni Malkin / James Neal
when would you suggest? They are either playing in the NHL or sitting in the press box this year. They are as ready as they will ever be.

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The Flyers going after Yandle makes sense and they have the assets to get him.

Just to throw it out there... what do you guys think about getting Gonch back? The Pens have the cap room and he can still be a good #4-5 defenseman that gets a lot of PP duty. Then when he retires keep him on that bench. Not only do I think he has a great hockey mind but he seems like a 1st class person too.
Not against this ONE bit. He would be great on our powerplay and we can limit his time. More of a deadline deal if Ottawa struggles.

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