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07-23-2012, 11:30 PM
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Not sure where to put this, but the Visnovsky grievance is an interesting story to me and I was wondering what some hfers thought about it.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...3249--nhl.html

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07-23-2012, 11:33 PM
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Not sure where to put this, but the Visnovsky grievance is an interesting story to me and I was wondering what some hfers thought about it.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...3249--nhl.html
I've always thought that was a great hockey name. Has a literary twinge to it.

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I've always thought that was a great hockey name. Has a literary twinge to it.
Agreed.

Sounds to me like he has a legitimate case, no? Why the heck did it take him so long to get to this point?

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Agreed.

Sounds to me like he has a legitimate case, no? Why the heck did it take him so long to get to this point?
I read just the headline earlier today, so I'm pretty much an expert on the matter now....

......yes......he does?





This.....this was not helpful. Sorry.

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Not sure where to put this, but the Visnovsky grievance is an interesting story to me and I was wondering what some hfers thought about it.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...3249--nhl.html
Someone here (forget who) said NTCs have to be reaffirmed by the receiving GM when a players waives it to be traded. I don't know if that's accurate (the story says it's "murky"), but I would think an agent would make a point of making certain it's still in place just as a matter of course, don't you?

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Someone here (forget who) said NTCs have to be reaffirmed by the receiving GM when a players waives it to be traded. I don't know if that's accurate (the story says it's "murky"), but I would think an agent would make a point of making certain it's still in place just as a matter of course, don't you?
Vis is saying that he didn't have to waive anything in the trade to Anaheim. That the Ducks were on his "ok" list.

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07-26-2012, 09:46 PM
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Good grief that Jakub Voracek contract is terrifying.

4.25 million a year for 4 years??? Is Marchand going get 5.5 million a year next year? Voracek can't hold Marchand's jock

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Good grief that Jakub Voracek contract is terrifying.

4.25 million a year for 4 years??? Is Marchand going get 5.5 million a year next year? Voracek can't hold Marchand's jock
People are under valuing Marchand's contract, if he played 82 games, 30 goals was likely last season. If Marchand hits 30 goals/60 points or more he’s getting 5 million plus a season, and I think it’s possible (35/40%). Depending on the new CBA, if under the same CBA he would get 5 million or more next season.

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I'm posting these more to open a discussion on what our RFA's will be getting when contracts come up for renewal.

Sam Gagner 1yr 3.2 mil. 18 goals, 29 assists
T.J Oshie 5yrs avg 4.175 mil. 19 goals 35 assists
Nikolai Kuleman 2yrs avg 2.8 mil. 7 goals, 21 assists

Lucic (26/35), Seguin (29/38), Marchand (28/27) and Caron (7/8)

Rask is also an RFA but I think he gets a contract somewhere around what Price just received.

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Oh man are these number an eye opener. No wonder Chiarelli isin't spending any cash we need every cent to keep our key players next year. We literally need to pinch pennies.

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Oh man are these number an eye opener. No wonder Chiarelli isin't spending any cash we need every cent to keep our key players next year. We literally need to pinch pennies.
agreed

and yet still so many irate/in disbelief that Chia has let another summer go by without making this team "better"

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Versteeg just got 4years @ $4.4m. I'm sure Lucic and Marchand's agents are liking that quite a bit.
Wow

Thats pretty terrible.

Panthers have some rather inflated contracts

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Someone here (forget who) said NTCs have to be reaffirmed by the receiving GM when a players waives it to be traded. I don't know if that's accurate (the story says it's "murky"), but I would think an agent would make a point of making certain it's still in place just as a matter of course, don't you?
The only thing I can find in the CBA is if there's a NTC that hasn't taken affect yet and the player is traded. I'll keep looking.

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agreed

and yet still so many irate/in disbelief that Chia has let another summer go by without making this team "better"
He *could have* signed Whitney and demoted Caron and put Savard on LTIR. Simple as that and that would have made the team better IMO. He chose not to, just like last summer he chose not do anything but minor tweaks. Our lack of depth was exposed and we went from one of the best teams in the NHL to mediocre with one injury to our top 6.

People can think this is fine we are standing pat, your opinion, but many said last year we needed some upgrades and that was proven correct.

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He *could have* signed Whitney and demoted Caron and put Savard on LTIR. Simple as that and that would have made the team better IMO. He chose not to, just like last summer he chose not do anything but minor tweaks. Our lack of depth was exposed and we went from one of the best teams in the NHL to mediocre with one injury to our top 6.

People can think this is fine we are standing pat, your opinion, but many said last year we needed some upgrades and that was proven correct.
That assumes Whitney (or other FAs) wanted to sign with Boston.

Players have all sorts of reasons for signing where they do, from money to term to family considerations to bffs. It's never as simple as just signing someone.

Chiarelli signed the guys he wanted this year; they happened to be his own guys.

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That assumes Whitney (or other FAs) wanted to sign with Boston.

Players have all sorts of reasons for signing where they do, from money to term to family considerations to bffs. It's never as simple as just signing someone.

Chiarelli signed the guys he wanted this year; they happened to be his own guys.
Dallas was suppossedly the only team to offer two years...Boston may / could have won that competition you would think, but who knows, Chiarelli wasn't going two years anyways it seems..

Chiarelli has done great with our own guys, but honestly it looks alot like last summer where IF injuries hit we will be exposed again. He also seems to be saving that LTIR for later in the season to see IF he has to make a deal which will cost us assets instead of just money... Fingers crossed though.

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I'm posting these more to open a discussion on what our RFA's will be getting when contracts come up for renewal.

Sam Gagner 1yr 3.2 mil. 18 goals, 29 assists
T.J Oshie 5yrs avg 4.175 mil. 19 goals 35 assists
Nikolai Kuleman 2yrs avg 2.8 mil. 7 goals, 21 assists

Lucic (26/35), Seguin (29/38), Marchand (28/27) and Caron (7/8)

Rask is also an RFA but I think he gets a contract somewhere around what Price just received.

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It looks like Jeff Skinner is about to get 6 years at $5.725. I'd think that sets the bar for Seguin.

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It looks like Jeff Skinner is about to get 6 years at $5.725. I'd think that sets the bar for Seguin.
Makes me sick....Ridiculous 2nd contract for a Jeff Skinner...

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Not sure where to put this, but the Visnovsky grievance is an interesting story to me and I was wondering what some hfers thought about it.

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl...3249--nhl.html
Sounds like a gray area that they'll ultimately iron out and set a precedent for.

However, this much is clear: between Lubo and Nabokov, players are using every tool they have to avoid playing on Long Island.



I found the Shea Weber NTC bit interesting for two reasons:

1. Who in their right mind signs a long-term deal with Holmgren without a NTC?

2. If he didn't want a NTC in Philly, why does he need one in Nashville?

Poile ought to let him cry all he wants but shouldn't give in.

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It looks like Jeff Skinner is about to get 6 years at $5.725. I'd think that sets the bar for Seguin.
I wouldn`t be shocked if Seguin `s play resulting in his next contract ends up being the one that "sets the bar" for others in similair situations

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Makes me sick....Ridiculous 2nd contract for a Jeff Skinner...
I agree, that is way too much money for him.

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2. If he didn't want a NTC in Philly, why does he need one in Nashville?

Poile ought to let him cry all he wants but shouldn't give in.


Exactly, you signed the deal now live with it.Cry me a 100M tears.

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Lucic 5 - 5.5
Segs 5
Horts 4
Marshy 4 - 4.5
Tuukka will be based on how he plays and I think he can play at a 5 level...

I'm sure agents are gonna get there clients more but I think those numbers are fair.

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I found the Shea Weber NTC bit interesting for two reasons:

1. Who in their right mind signs a long-term deal with Holmgren without a NTC?

2. If he didn't want a NTC in Philly, why does he need one in Nashville?

Poile ought to let him cry all he wants but shouldn't give in.
The reason that there was no NTC in Weber's contract is that it is not allowed in an offer sheet according to the CBA. Poile should give him the finger.

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The reason that there was no NTC in Weber's contract is that it is not allowed in an offer sheet according to the CBA. Poile should give him the finger.
Is that true?? Seems like a HUGE omission. Obviously there's the one-year NMC for all offer sheets but you'd think that an NTC should be a part of any offer sheet.

Weber has zero recourse here and public opinion is against him. If I were Poile, I'd tell him he gets a NTC once he's made a $5M donation to the David Poile Foundation. He signed the offer sheet, he knew very well what he was getting in to.

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