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Just wondering Duck Fans. Who do you think is the most important to the franchise in order (Who you would want to keep) and who do you think is worth the most in order (Would bring back the most).
I would assume(I'm not a ducks fan):
Getzlaf
Perry
Ryan
and the return:
Getzlaf(signed)
Perry(signed)
Ryan
Perry(Unsigned)
Getzlaf(Unsigned)
Thought I would get that out of the way though I do hate them slightly less since they dropped the "might" part of their name.
That said, Perry and Getzlaf are two of the very best players at their positions in the NHL both of whom are significantly more multi dimensional then several of their peers at their positions.
Getzlaf is an elite first line center who does it all and can play with an edge as well. This past season was his worst showing but I didn't see it as a set back but more of a legitimate struggle for a young player who is in the process of establishing himself in the greatest hockey league in the world. He will bounce back and then some this coming season.
While he isn't in the same category as Malkin Datsyuk or Sydney he is one o the more exceptional young players in the game and will continue to get better with each season for awhile yet.
Perry doesn't need to be explained. The guy is a puke, a punk and a pest who you can't leave alone or he will either score a game breaking goal or two or do something else to help his team win while making you hate him all the more.
Either of these two would be worth a ton to the right team.
He and his wife had their first child during last season. Screaming baby= no sleep.
If the Anaheim GM is smart they should be talking with Perry and Getzlaf about extensions...though they will wait till a new agreement is reached. Their goal will be to sign these players before the start of the season.
If they cant sign then then the trade rumors will swirl through the lockerroom causing distractions so they will need to trade the player that will not sign and get something for them instead of risk losing them for nothing.
With either player he can get 2-3 players plus a conditional drift pick (likely tied to if Gtz/Perry sign with that team long term).
To get anything of play now value they will have to give the trading team the ability to talk to the player and his agent to find out if they could sign them.
Buffalo and other teams would only trade for Getzlaf at fair value if they knew they could sign him long term....if they cant then
Anaheim loses alot of what they could get.
If they get established NHL players back in deals then the impact by the fan base would be minimal. Them trading them for draft picks and AHL prospects will seriously hurt the franchise.
Ducks fans may need to come to terms with the fact that a rebuild would happen if Getz, Perry, and Ryan are moved. Nothing they'll receive in return would replace either of those three unless they draft equal talent using the picks received.
Given the talent in 2013 it's probably the best time to be making this type of turnover.
Ducks fans may need to come to terms with the fact that a rebuild would happen if Getz, Perry, and Ryan are moved. Nothing they'll receive in return would replace either of those three unless they draft equal talent using the picks received.
Given the talent in 2013 it's probably the best time to be making this type of turnover.
They should just sign them. It's never a good time to lose one of best centers and wingers in the game when they are prime aged.
He and his wife had their first child during last season. Screaming baby= no sleep.
That makes sense. It had to be something that was keeping him off of his game. I may not like the Ducks but those 3 guys are among the elite talents in the game and should draw the same in return.
How exactly is Ryan more important to the franchise than Getzlaf? Outside of pure goal scoring ability, Getzlaf is significantly better at every aspect of the game. Not to mention that Getzlaf is a centre, a position the Ducks are lacking in.
Or are you just one of the Ducks fans that has an unjustifiable hatred for Getzlaf? No rational fan would claim Ryan is more important to the franchise than Getzlaf is.
I know its very unlikely but if getzlaf isnt willing to sign an extension would a deal like this work for anaheim.
To
Anaheim
Grabovski
Bozak
Gardiner
1st 2013(top ten protected)
2nd 2014
Tor
Getzlaf
Toni Lydman
That deal is pretty good value if and only if he won't re-sign here. Nobody has any idea of what Getzlaf's real intentions are but all signs point to him wanting to re-sign in Anaheim and if he does re-sign he obviously won't be moved.
Whats not to understand, were fans of a team who havent made the playoffs in 7 years, weve finished bottom 5-10 and still dont have all of the high end players to show for it and were constantly told that either our players are crap or we ourselves over value the crap out of them. pretty easy to see that our whole fan base is trying atleast on here to throw somthing on the wall and hope it sticks so that our team can finally improve and no longer be the punch line for 29 other NHL teams. Now wether our management teams is run on the same philosophy remains to be seen but try to understand with a fanbase the large and a team this bad for so long your bound to stir about a large number of frustrated fans and some just plain wack a doos.
How exactly is Ryan more important to the franchise than Getzlaf? Outside of pure goal scoring ability, Getzlaf is significantly better at every aspect of the game. Not to mention that Getzlaf is a centre, a position the Ducks are lacking in.
Or are you just one of the Ducks fans that has an unjustifiable hatred for Getzlaf? No rational fan would claim Ryan is more important to the franchise than Getzlaf is.
Your rep proceeds you in this one Paul... Your the biggest Getz homer and the biggest Ryan hater....
unjustifiable you say? Gezlaf 9 total goals start of april? costing the ducks a playoff spot? ill start and end with those.....
I certainly don't hate the guy, but I really dont like how his personal success dictates where the ducks finish the season...
he can be traded for another center...last October i threw out Jamie Benn.... i would kick in a 1st to get that done (might have to now anyways)
Your rep proceeds you in this one Paul... Your the biggest Getz homer and the biggest Ryan hater....
unjustifiable you say? Gezlaf 9 total goals start of april? costing the ducks a playoff spot? ill start and end with those.....
I certainly don't hate the guy, but I really dont like how his personal success dictates where the ducks finish the season...
he can be traded for another center...last October i threw out Jamie Benn.... i would kick in a 1st to get that done (might have to now anyways)
You have got to be joking if you think Ryan is more valuable to the team than Getzlaf. Dont even know where to start responding to this post, just so uninformed.
Your rep proceeds you in this one Paul... Your the biggest Getz homer and the biggest Ryan hater....
unjustifiable you say? Gezlaf 9 total goals start of april? costing the ducks a playoff spot? ill start and end with those.....
I certainly don't hate the guy, but I really dont like how his personal success dictates where the ducks finish the season...
he can be traded for another center...last October i threw out Jamie Benn.... i would kick in a 1st to get that done (might have to now anyways)
My rep? Ok then.
I'm not a Ryan hater at all, just because I'm one of the few open to moving him if we can get the right deal does not mean I hate him. I've said many times that Ryan will be a 40 goal scorer as soon as he gets 1st PP unit time but won't bring a hell of a lot else to the table other than offensive production which is true. If and only if we can improve the team by moving him then he should be traded. Since it doesn't look like that will happen I'm all for keeping him and building that second line around him.
As for being a Getzlaf homer, it's hard to read some of the ******** posts that so called Ducks fans come up with and not stick up for him. He's the best centre the Ducks have ever had, has won almost everything there is to win and from 2007 to 2011 ranks 6th amongst all players in points per game behind only the Sedins, Crosby, Ovechkin and Malkin. Yet some fans will put him down every chance they get.
You have got to be joking if you think Ryan is more valuable to the team than Getzlaf. Dont even know where to start responding to this post, just so uninformed.
He hasn't broke 30 goals in his career and he plays along side some of the leagues best
U seem to be another fan that likes the "idea" of what he can do, and not what he actually does.
I'm not a Ryan hater at all, just because I'm one of the few open to moving him if we can get the right deal does not mean I hate him. I've said many times that Ryan will be a 40 goal scorer as soon as he gets 1st PP unit time but won't bring a hell of a lot else to the table other than offensive production which is true. If and only if we can improve the team by moving him then he should be traded. Since it doesn't look like that will happen I'm all for keeping him and building that second line around him.
Weren't you calling bobby out for "padding" his stats with meaningless goals when he sank goals 28,29,30?
There is no return for Ryan out there at the moment so there is no need to bring it up, especially when he's one of the few who can score goals on the team and making our 2nd line a true threat
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He hasn't broke 30 goals in his career and he plays along side some of the leagues best
U seem to be another fan that likes the "idea" of what he can do, and not what he actually does.
he is a playmaking center not a goal scorer. 20-25 goals and 60+ assists is what he is expected to do. The ones he plays with happen to be goal scorers. He'll do what he does best and dish them the puck. They then do what they do best and put it in the back of the net. Simple concept really...
Though I wouldn't put it out of his reach to get 30 goals but it's not what he is expected to do by anyone...but you.
he is a playmaking center not a goal scorer. 20-25 goals and 60+ assists is what he is expected to do. The ones he plays with happen to be goal scorers. He'll do what he does best and dish them the puck. They then do what they do best and put it in the back of the net. Simple concept really...
Though I wouldn't put it out of his reach to get 30 goals but it's not what he is expected to do by anyone...but you.
I agree...
If he puts up anything less than that we aren't a playoff team (again)
Making it harder to resign our players and FA players...
He has the best shot on the team and he would rather pass instead of taking a wide open shot 10 feet out!!!
I'm still trying to adjust to the idea of Dustin brown being a better center
He hasn't broke 30 goals in his career and he plays along side some of the leagues best
U seem to be another fan that likes the "idea" of what he can do, and not what he actually does.
He's a pass first, second and third kind of player. If he wanted too he could easily score 30+, he has the best shot on the team but he's also far and away the best playmaker and his numbers reflect that.
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Weren't you calling bobby out for "padding" his stats with meaningless goals when he sank goals 28,29,30?
Maybe in a GDT I did. IIRC he sank 2 meaningless goals in the Calgary loss to put him at 31 to end the season. It was simply a comment, it doesn't make me a hater. I've criticized Getzlaf plenty in GDTs too even though apparently I'm a Getzlaf homer.
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Originally Posted by DaDucks
He has the best shot on the team and he would rather pass instead of taking a wide open shot 10 feet out!!!
I'm still trying to adjust to the idea of Dustin brown being a better center
Again, he's the best passer on the team by far. And yeah he's passed up some great opportunities to shoot but that's the type of player he is. Plenty of players will take shots when there are far better passing options.
And I have no idea what Dustin Brown has to do with anything.
He's a pass first, second and third kind of player.
And I have no idea what Dustin Brown has to do with anything.
Ya he could easily score 30 that's the most frustrating part, and that's why we're arguing at midnight on a work night... He's a past first, miss the playoffs type until he redeems himself...
Given the talent in 2013 it's probably the best time to be making this type of turnover.
I laugh every time I hear this because every year people say this about the next draft. Then a month before the next draft, all of a sudden the once deep prospect pool is not so deep.
Hawks get: Boyle and Handzus
Sharks get: Perry and Bolland
Ducks get: Pavelski, Hjalmarsson and a 2nd
Wait what team is trading the 2011 Hart trophy winner again?
Not surprised to see people here trying to pillage the Ducks.
San Jose simply doesn't have the assets to acquire Perry, sorry.
If anyone for that matter wants Perry, if you're not giving up one of your top 2 players, then your team will be quickly hung up on.
Whats not to understand, were fans of a team who havent made the playoffs in 7 years, weve finished bottom 5-10 and still dont have all of the high end players to show for it and were constantly told that either our players are crap or we ourselves over value the crap out of them. pretty easy to see that our whole fan base is trying atleast on here to throw somthing on the wall and hope it sticks so that our team can finally improve and no longer be the punch line for 29 other NHL teams. Now wether our management teams is run on the same philosophy remains to be seen but try to understand with a fanbase the large and a team this bad for so long your bound to stir about a large number of frustrated fans and some just plain wack a doos.
I meant more in the sense that your offer was basically trading away the farm for a pending UFA coming off a terrible year while ... Well, you've seen the threads on here and I don't want to turn this one into one of them.
