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08-06-2012, 09:34 PM
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The Sonics certainly didn't move because of poor fan support. The people here love their sports teams. They pack CenturyLink for Sounders games and yell as the "12th man" for Seahawk games. They certainly care about sports here, from what I've seen

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They hardly support what they have now? They almost indisputably have the best fan support in MLS. MLS. They were an excellent basketball market and will be an excellent hockey market.

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I've seen it with my own eyes. I lived up there for a year with my cousin and I can tell you, they're very passionate about their teams. This is coming from a guy who is fans of many teams that are rivals with Seattle-based teams.

The former mayor of Seattle sold the team out by taking money to negate the lease with Key arena. The fans of the Sonics were not the reason they moved.
I never said that Seattle never had any passionate fans or that the fans were the reason why the Sonics moved. However, I wouldn't dare put Seattle in the same breath in other cities that do a better job at supporting their teams. Yes, the MLS team has a great following. Some would say though that such a following came as a result of the Sonics leaving town and the Mariners sucking for quite sometime as well.

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I never said that Seattle never had any passionate fans or that the fans were the reason why the Sonics moved. However, I wouldn't dare put Seattle in the same breath in other cities that do a better job at supporting their teams. Yes, the MLS team has a great following. Some would say though that such a following came as a result of the Sonics leaving town and the Mariners sucking for quite sometime as well.
They strongly supported the Sonics before the Sonics left town, as well.

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I never said that Seattle never had any passionate fans or that the fans were the reason why the Sonics moved. However, I wouldn't dare put Seattle in the same breath in other cities that do a better job at supporting their teams. Yes, the MLS team has a great following. Some would say though that such a following came as a result of the Sonics leaving town and the Mariners sucking for quite sometime as well.
These hypothetical situations and "people" continue to be weak generalizations that simply aren't true. The Sonics had a solid fan base before they ever moved. The moved due to the team being sold and the mayor of Seattle selling the team out. Which is why their attendance was low in their final year in Seattle. That had nothing to do with people not wanting to go, that had more to do with the new owner already having the team with both feet out the door.

Soccer is very popular on the west coast, not just Seattle. Portland and San Jose sell out just about every game, as well.

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They hardly support what they have now? They almost indisputably have the best fan support in MLS. MLS. They were an excellent basketball market and will be an excellent hockey market.
Portland's is pretty damn good, as well.

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Seattle fans get a bad rap because they don't want to pay for millionaire's toys with their tax money. That's smart fans, not bad fans.

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Seattle fans get a bad rap because they don't want to pay for millionaire's toys with their tax money. That's smart fans, not bad fans.
Same thing is going on in Sacramento.

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Good luck finding someone to ride in on their high horse and painting a nice picture then.

That rarely works. At least Sacramento has a team that helps them out as a barganing chip.

The MLS??? If you ask any real soccer fan that league is garbage. The MLS is like the NHL…way down the food chain to the point of it doesn’t matter in the big scale grand scheme of things when it comes to a judging point on pro sports.

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As a Seattle METRO AREA resident, I am currently watching the local news

Talking about how a Seattle traffic report may impact UPCOMING arenas

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Good luck finding someone to ride in on their high horse and painting a nice picture then.

That rarely works. At least Sacramento has a team that helps them out as a barganing chip.

The MLS??? If you ask any real soccer fan that league is garbage. The MLS is like the NHL…way down the food chain to the point of it doesn’t matter in the big scale grand scheme of things when it comes to a judging point on pro sports.
I'd say people who spend their time and energy on an inferior soccer product qualify as 'real soccer fans.' No different than devoted fans of minor league hockey.

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They can have New Orleans.
Can Pittsburgh have them instead?

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This hasnt been pointed out but if anything the NBA needs contraction before expansions or relocations.

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The MLS??? If you ask any real soccer fan that league is garbage. The MLS is like the NHL…way down the food chain to the point of it doesn’t matter in the big scale grand scheme of things when it comes to a judging point on pro sports.
The quality of MLS (no definite article - you wouldn't say, "the Major League Soccer" or "the Major League Baseball") has been discussed and debated for years, and the "real soccer fans" you reference probably couldn't spell "Eredivisie" if you spotted them all of the vowels, but that's completely missing the point.

The argument was that Seattle doesn't support the teams it has now. The Sounders, regardless of the relative quality of the league, are extremely well supported and serve as a counterexample to that argument. They put 64,000 people in the stadium last year for the season finale with San Jose:



They also pack way more than the 4,500 seating capacity into Starfire for US Open Cup matches, and the folks that do show up tend to be from supporters' groups and create a very rowdy atmosphere.

As for the other teams in Seattle, just six teams have averaged capacity or better in the NFL since 2007, and Seattle is one of those (67,397, or 100.6%). Hell, I even have to take back what I said about the Mariners, because since the start of the '01 season, they've averaged 32,386, which is 10th in the Majors over that span, ahead of cities larger than Seattle such as Dallas, Phoenix, and Atlanta.

Seattle is the principal city of the Northwestern United States, and it makes absolutely no sense for them not to have a representative in the NBA. (Or, for that matter, the NHL, although there is a whole other forum for that discussion.) Hopefully this business with the Port will all get sorted out soon so the Sonics can return while we're still young.

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This hasnt been pointed out but if anything the NBA needs contraction before expansions or relocations.
That's never going to happen, so it's an irrelevant discussion.

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Just a reminder to the guys bringing up New Orleans.... they're not moving so long as the Saints owner has them.

Plus, even on the off chance he did want to tick off his own fanbase by moving a team while still keeping a team in that market, you do need to remember that NFL rules stipulate that an owner of an NFL club cannot own a team in a different major professional sport in market currently inhabited by another NFL team. If he wanted to move them to Vegas or Louisville, then it'd be possible, I suppose, but he couldn't move them to Seattle because of the Seahawks.

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Those posts were before that was done.

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Those posts were before that was done.
Ah, I really should look a few inches to the left at the time stamps a bit more often....

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That's never going to happen, so it's an irrelevant discussion.
and they wonder why the product blows. These super teams being assembled should show that contraction is necessary. Not enough talent. Only league where talent wins.

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What would be the ideal size? 24 teams and not allow anyone in until they are 3 years past high school or something like that? It'd make for a great college game and solid rosters through most of the NBA, no?

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What would be the ideal size? 24 teams and not allow anyone in until they are 3 years past high school or something like that? It'd make for a great college game and solid rosters through most of the NBA, no?
20 teams.

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Even if the NBA had 20 teams, there'd still likely be ten habitual have-not franchises.....

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and they wonder why the product blows. These super teams being assembled should show that contraction is necessary. Not enough talent. Only league where talent wins.
And Donald Sterling has made plenty of money staying out of the way, of everyone.

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I'm not going to get into this who is more deserving crap, especially since Seattle itself is not a city filled with hardcore fans of their sports teams. It can be argued that at best the city can support 1 more team maybe 2. The Sonics are no problem, but an NHL team could go either way. If an NHL team does go there, it will be based on the help of those in British Columbia to give up supporting who they follow right now and willing to spend money on a team in Washington that would be cheaper than what they would see the Rodgers Centre.
Seattle would do a much better job supporting 4 franchises than the greater Phoenix area ever could. Not to mention it's wealthier and has weathered the recession quite satisfactorily when compared to Phoenix.

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